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03-03-2009, 12:09 AM

I'm was pleasantly surprised when I found this, although it's listed in on the Meprolight's HK MP5, 91, 93 & 94 night sight page:

From Meprolight's Website - NEW: ML 11545 fits the HK 45C and P30 Pistols.

http://www.meprolight.com/default.asp?catid=%7B82B0BAC7-924D-4594-895C-CA38A4FE77C3%7D&details_type=1&itemid=%7B04FB73C9-82CE-49FA-AF26-BCF416F172E4%7D

Already found them at Arizona Gun Runners for $75 plus shipping:
http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=hescodb.dat&category=MeproLight+HK+Sights

AWD

03-03-2009, 01:03 AM

Good find!

EdMan63

03-03-2009, 01:12 AM

Looks like I'll be ordering some of those in the near future.

ScbaSteve

03-03-2009, 01:44 AM

I dont mean to hijack your thread, but.....
I am looking for opinions whether the meprolight sights are better, worse or comparable to the Trijicons. I have trijicons on my USP 45 and love them. I have been calling them regularly trying to get a release date, or some information on when the night sights are coming out for the 45c with no luck. So is it worth me waiting or should I "pull the trigger" on the meprolight sights?
Thanks

ZbornacSVT

03-03-2009, 02:05 AM

I am new to all of this. Is this brand any good, or am I better off waiting for someone else's offering?

EDIT** I guess I should refresh threads before I respond, lol.

bonehead

03-03-2009, 02:09 AM

Nice. That IS a good find. But I do wish Trijicon would get off their arses and make a set as well.

Post some pics and let us know how they work out after you get them installed.

08G37S

03-03-2009, 02:27 AM

My Kimber came with some Meprolights and they are pretty awesome and they stay lite (forever) unlike the 20 minutes I get of the HK's. I am not sure how they compare to Trijicon's though so hopefully someone can chime in whether they are worth the wait.

Gunschlinger

03-03-2009, 02:33 AM

I would put the Mepros on par with the Trijicons. Bright night sights are bright night sights.

HKONBOARD

03-03-2009, 02:42 AM

P7M8

03-03-2009, 02:52 AM

08G37S

03-03-2009, 03:48 AM

Trijicons have a cleaner look to them. The Meps bleed into the circle around the vial thus making them "fuzzy" around the edges. The Trijis don't do this and give a much clearer dot. I have Meps on a Kimber and G19 and Trijis on a G17 and G19. The Trijis are noticeably better.

I agree with the fuzzy look. I guess I will wait for the Trijicons then - I want them to look as sharp as the HK stockers.

I want to practice clearing my apartment splinter cell style with insanely bright green sights!

AmicusCuriae

03-03-2009, 03:55 AM

Trijicons have a cleaner look to them. The Meps bleed into the circle around the vial thus making them "fuzzy" around the edges. The Trijis don't do this and give a much clearer dot. I have Meps on a Kimber and G19 and Trijis on a G17 and G19. The Trijis are noticeably better.

Interesting; I have had both and prefer the Meps. I find them to be noticably brighter and haven't been bugged by the fuzziness enough to really notice it. Both are very nice sites and have been very durable for me.

Respectfully,

AmicusCuriae

m98evolution

03-03-2009, 04:04 AM

Here is an email from Eric at Trijicon:
Dear Michael,

Thank you for your interest in Trijicon products. Sights for the newer HK45 and P30 pistols are in the development stage. We currently have no definitive information as to when they may become available although, it could be before summer. Keep checking the website for new products.

Sincerely,
Eric Lockhart
Customer Service
1-800-338-0563
ext 148

Good to hear, thanks for the info. I too like the trijicons better than the mepros. Let's all keep bugging Eric so that they pick up the pace due to the high demand! Oh well, I guess they don't care cause they know that if they don't hurry they'll lose customers to mepro.

Rican Havoc

03-03-2009, 12:25 PM

I've found Meprolights to be better when it comes to daylight shooting b/c of the wider ring around the capsules. On the other hand, I agree with P7M8, they are somewhat fuzzy in total darkness when compared to Trijicons.

Meprolight customer service is God-awful, and since they are now imported and distributed by Kimber, this makes matters worse. I've had to deal with Kimber/Meprolight customer service and I have to say I'll never buy another set of these sights, nor another Kimber firearm.

Good luck!

LCSO264

03-03-2009, 08:46 PM

not so sure the ones on Arizona Gun Runner's page are the right ones, kind of wonder if they aren't for the USPc 45, just based on how they are in the middle of the listed sites for various USPs?

I've always liked that you could get Mepros in two diff colors... just my thoughts.... never really noticed the fuzzy issue, but the Mepros are def bigger than the Trigicons

DCCarper

03-03-2009, 11:28 PM

dano1200r

03-03-2009, 11:47 PM

I like the Trij too, but I'll take these Mepros now. I have had a few sets and never had any issues.

MaD HuNGaRIaN

03-04-2009, 01:29 AM

I want them to look as sharp as the HK stockers.

Then buy MeproLight because that's what HK Factory Night Sights are....

As for MeproLight customer service, I emailed them about MK23 sights (part number listed but sadly no longer made) and they emailed me back within 24 hours.....I can't say as much for HK who has NEVER emailed me back.

Rican Havoc

03-04-2009, 01:33 AM

Then buy MeproLight because that's what HK Factory Night Sights are....

As for MeproLight customer service, I emailed them about MK23 sights (part number listed but sadly no longer made) and they emailed me back within 24 hours.....I can't say as much for HK who has NEVER emailed me back.

Email is one thing. How well they do "the dance" is something else entirely. :2300000:

ScbaSteve

03-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. Im going to try to find a set on another gun to see if I mind the fuzzy issue. Then we will see.

EdMan63

03-04-2009, 07:46 PM

Have Meprolights on all my Sigs and had some Trijicons on my G19. Both are excellent sights and I think you would be happy with either. The Trijicons are a little sharper, but the Meps are brighter IMO. YMMV.

mattfrey

03-04-2009, 08:18 PM

I spoke to HK CS today. The Meprolights are going to be the OEM sights for the domestically-produced guns.

Cat

03-04-2009, 10:14 PM

My USP40 came with factory Meprolights, the ML-11516 Tru-Dot type.

I like them, I had a Glock 23 wth Meprolights once and they served well.

Miao, Cat

bonehead

03-28-2009, 04:56 PM

Has anyone actually bought and installed a set of these for an HK45 or 45c?

aauais

03-29-2009, 08:45 PM

How difficult is it to mount the mepor lights on the 45c?

Can it be done by a novice like me?

Don't know of a good gunsmith in South FL that could do it for me

I am going to order these - thanks for the heads up!

gfgjr100

04-01-2009, 05:20 AM

I just got my HKPro account activated today to post replies so here's an update with information I obtained last week (on 3/26) ...

I found this thread last week and went immediately to ArizonaGunRunners and placed an order for the P30 Meprolight sites (same part number for 45C). The order went through and I promptly received an email from Gary at AZGunRunners stating "These are a new item and are not yet in stock and are on backorder. We will hold this order until we are able to ship unless we receive different instructions from you. Best regards, Gary ***** Arizona Gun Runners"

I replied back to AZGunRunners and asked how long to expect the backorder. The reply was (again very prompt) "Kimber tells me they are shipping soon whatever that means?"

I found Kimber's web site, called customer service and got a human within 30 seconds. His name was coincidentally Gary also. According to Kimber, the ML11545 sights were finalized very recently for specs and design and would be available for shipping to distributors mid-May at the earliest.

I emailed AZGunRunners back, provided the updated availability from Kimber and cancelled my order (without any issue).

Today, I sent my P30 slide to ToolTech for front Green and rear Yellow Trijicon capsule inserts. At least I'll know when I'll have them, they'll be sighted in and I actually like the shape/ramping of the stock sights.

By the way: The stock glow paint is hokey in my opinion (lasts maybe 3 hours max) and I would NOT plan on taking it out of a drawer and shining a light on them just so they'll glow - and so I can tell someone where I am.

That being said:

1) I don't believe that either the XS Sights or Heine sights would appeal to my personal preference, agreeing completely that a good number of people might like them. All of my pistols have 3 dot sights so I figured I'd do well to keep with a standard sight picture/method for myself. Meps and Trij's (to my finding) are pretty similar but you have the option with Tool Tech to mix colors front-to-rear. My preferred sights among all my pistols would be the TruGlo TFO's (green front / yellow rear) on my G23. Too bad they don't plan on making TFO's for HK P30's or HK45s. (I emailed TruGlo btw)

2) Although I found AZGunRunners to be very nice and very prompt with communication, I also had an email discussion indicating that they ought to have an availability/backorder note on the item's page. His response was that they can't spend money for their system to do real-time inventory updates. That's fine and all but again, they could at the least put fixed text of "Taking Pre-Orders / Item not in stock yet." on the page so customers are informed up-front.

3) It looks like both Trijicon and Meprolight (Kimber) are claiming availability around this Summer. Therefore, the current installable sight options are XS or Heine sights. The Tool Tech route is a bit more expensive but ... what the heck, we already spent more money on the H&K so what is a little more, right? I actually do feel that Tool Tech should lower their price to around $150 including return (ground) shipping. It took me a week to convince myself and I'm sure there are people who would rather wait for installable sights and save money.

mambro

04-02-2009, 05:04 AM

Carrots

04-02-2009, 05:26 AM

....

Thank you for the update, there are few things that annoy me more than online retailers that will sell you something that they don’t have and then leave you do the ground work to work out what’s what. Something is either available or it isn't, and if you are not organised enough or prepared to spend the money to keep your website up-to-date then don't have one. I can't see the point in folks listing these for sale now if they are at least 6 weeks away from arriving (esp. when we all know that the likelihood of these being 'on time' is rather slim). Sorry for the rant but this has happened to me twice this week - take the order, charge the card and then decide that the goods are not on the shelf and leave me waiting around for a refund. Time wasting Bastards. Anyway thank you for saving me from yet another bunch of chancers, I shall dig out the night vision goggles and wait for the Trijicons.

gfgjr100

04-02-2009, 03:02 PM

Mambro,
Thanks for the photo, that's the first I've seen the sights in an actual picture. I guess they won't have rings?! FYI, when ordering drilled/inserted vails through Tool Tech, they offer the option for white rings or not.

Carrots,
To lean towards being nice and fair, AZGunRunners did not charge my card and wouldn't until shipping. I really prefer to not work with vendors that charge upon ordering. If something doesn't work out, it's a pain for everyone to chase down a refund or to do a refund. I agree completely with you on the wasting time part and not listing what isn't available yet. Come to think of it, Trijicon and Kimber could save a lot of wasted research if they posted availability dates on their own items. They would have saved a few calls and emails from me for starters ... unless they prefer to know how in demand an item might be. Ugh, should have thought about the NVG's before - I could have pitched that to the wife.

DanielW

04-05-2009, 04:47 AM

I have Meprolights that came factory installed on my Kimber, and I do like them a lot, but I decided to go with Heinie for my HK45 just to try something different.

Hawaiian

04-06-2009, 01:24 AM

I will wait and see what becomes available. I shoot in daylight 99% of the time so a good daylight sight is more important to me. I don't want night sights that are not also easily seen in daylight. My eyes are old so they will all be a little fuzzy anyway.

gfgjr100

04-15-2009, 04:55 PM

I'll create a post on this later with pictures but ...

My P30 slide was sent to ToolTech and received on 4/6. Their estimated turnaround was 3-4 weeks and I got it back today (4/15) already! I had them install yellow Trijicon capsules in the rear and green in the front, with white rings. They look awesome and the white rings show up very nicely in day light. I'll see if I can get good pics in full light, low light and dark.

snick97

04-15-2009, 05:51 PM

need pics STAT

awesome man!

I'll create a post on this later with pictures but ...

My P30 slide was sent to ToolTech and received on 4/6. Their estimated turnaround was 3-4 weeks and I got it back today (4/15) already! I had them install yellow Trijicon capsules in the rear and green in the front, with white rings. They look awesome and the white rings show up very nicely in day light. I'll see if I can get good pics in full light, low light and dark.

gfgjr100

04-15-2009, 09:14 PM

Ok ok, I'll honor the STAT and share the first pictures. :)

These were taken in a normally lit room. The left is "with flash" and the right is "without flash". I'll grab low light and no light pictures later in the day. I think they came out pretty nice ...

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww117/gfgjr100/P30/ToolTechP30-InLight.jpg

Swamprattler

04-15-2009, 11:10 PM

Those sights look great. Probably worth the weight and expense. Thanks for posting the pictures.

bonehead

04-15-2009, 11:15 PM

Did they have to drill out the front of the sights to insert the new tubes?

gfgjr100

04-16-2009, 12:11 AM

Getting a good and accurate picture in dark/low light is a challenge. Here's the best I got so far. In real-time, the room had a bit more light and the dots were not quite as bright as in the picture - figure about maybe 75% as bright. With the longer exposure the camera probably "added" the light from the dots together. I stuffed the grip between matress and boxspring to keep the gun still and then rested the camera to minimize blur. I included "extra" background which is a blanket and burber carpet - just to give perspective of what you're looking at,

Yep, they drill out the original sights and insert Trijicon vials.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww117/gfgjr100/P30/ToolTechP30-InLowLight.jpg

gfgjr100

04-16-2009, 12:29 AM

Hawaiian,

Per your comment about visibility during daylight, the white rings stand out really well and appear in real life like they do in the picture.

orfeo

04-16-2009, 01:23 PM

It looks like these new "TD HK P30" sights (CAT # ML - 11545) don't have a white ring at all around the vial.

http://www.meprolight.com/files/IMG_2829ffb.jpg

http://www.meprolight.com/default.asp?catid={8FC4CE18-A662-4EA1-8776-BF136245A7BD}&details_type=1&itemid={D00652B2-D22A-44DF-A43F-C517F6455342}&tempTyp=1

Hmmmmm. . . seems strange.

I've never seen Meprolight TruDots without the contrast-rings. I wonder if that picture is really accurate?

Hopefully, someone will post actual pics of them when they come in. . . :)

Rican Havoc

04-16-2009, 02:47 PM

gfgjr100

04-16-2009, 10:01 PM

Here is the lowest light picture that I could get, plus I added some "friends" for comparison. The P30 with ToolTech Trijicon inserts is 2nd from the left. I put numbers in the picture to make sure you could tell which sights (front and rear) went together. Just so people don't question if we're comparing 10-year old sights to brand new sights; At most, the other tritium sights are 2 years old.

I hadn't realized the actual difference between Trijicon and Meps until I put them side-by-side. The Trijicons are the brightest and also the most crisp - now I understand frequent comments I've read saying that the Meps are "fuzzy". The TFO front sight was nice and crisp like the P30 Trijicon front.

Other TFO note: The rear TFO yellow sights (#3) were not as dim as they appear in the picture, probably because they are more of a tube design and you have to look down the fiber optic "tubes" to see the light. But were not quite as bright as the P30 Trijicon yellow either. Just wanted to mention that since the TFO's are about my favorite site hands-down with their daytime fiber optic high visibility & I didn't want to give a false impression from this picture.

Left to right they are:
1 - HK 45 Expert w/ Meprolight sights
2 - HK P30 w/ ToolTech Trijicon inserts
3 - Glock 23 w/ TruGlo TFO sights
4 - Glock 26 w/ Meprolight sights
5 - Kahr PM9 w/ Meprolight sights

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww117/gfgjr100/P30/P30wFriends.jpg

gfgjr100

04-17-2009, 02:34 PM

Sentinal just added a new post today and took WAY better pictures of the ToolTech sights than I did.

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103373&referrerid=28045

Sasquatch

04-19-2009, 09:08 PM

Getting a good and accurate picture in dark/low light is a challenge.

I don't know bout any body else, but I'd rather have both sights in the green....from what I've seen from these pics....the green is more outstanding..... Even on the trijicon site they comment that the green lasts the longest, and will be my sight of choice.... Getting the mepro's is like pulling hen's teeth. Besides, Trijicon is only a few miles from where I live and I want to support a local company!!!!!:45:

MaverickH1

04-19-2009, 09:20 PM

Hmmmmm. . . seems strange.

I've never seen Meprolight TruDots without the contrast-rings. I wonder if that picture is really accurate?

Hopefully, someone will post actual pics of them when they come in. . . :)

That's the first thing I noticed when I looked at the picture on their webpage. And then I started thinking about it and came to a conclusion that I can't prove or disprove.

But it seems to me that the new sights would get rid of the white, and just offset the vials deep into the sights in order to keep the tritium in the dark at all times. Done that way, the shooter should always be able to see the dots just fine since they are contrasted by darkness.

Obviously, I don't have any with me to test my theory... but sounds reasonable to me.

When I was thinking about that my mind took off, and I could hear the tritium viles say "Then we shall fight in the shade." Bonus points to the person who knows where that line came from. And man-card returns at the customer service desk for those who don't... :D

ToddG

04-19-2009, 09:29 PM

Dienekes, Battle of Thermopylae.

The reason for different color rear sights is specifically so that the rear sights are not as "visible" and thus not as distracting. They also help alleviate concern that some folks may misalign three green dots in the wrong configuration, though this is fairly difficult to do in my experience.

The tritium capsules don't give off enough glow to be visible in daylight even if you could recess them deeper into the sight. The capsules are also fairly long (relative to the overall length of the sight) and thus there is only so much room for them to go.

Hired Gun

04-19-2009, 09:53 PM

Todd, I followed the link in your signature...Thanks!
http://pistol-training.com/
great info there

gfgjr100

04-19-2009, 11:18 PM

I never considered the concept of green being brighter so it would stand out better (like an XS big dot) than the yellow but I guess that has merit. Going by all the various night sights I've had, having different colored front than rear just seems to work easiest on the eyes. I've also tried to misalign a 3 green setup on purpose and you have to point off-target enough that it feels unnatural to the wrist. I agree with Todd that it's pretty hard to do. Just the same, I like G/Y better.

heh heh .. fight in the shade :170000: (where's the smiley with a shield?)

dhousley

04-20-2009, 05:23 AM

Ordering some now!

Sasquatch

04-20-2009, 08:41 PM

Ordering some now!

How much did you pay for them, and where did you buy them????? Might get some too, But like I said, Trijicon is in my back yard. The price may sway me though.............:45:

BillR

04-21-2009, 12:40 AM

It looks like these new "TD HK P30" sights (CAT # ML - 11545) don't have a white ring at all around the vial.

http://www.meprolight.com/files/IMG_2829ffb.jpg

http://www.meprolight.com/default.asp?catid={8FC4CE18-A662-4EA1-8776-BF136245A7BD}&details_type=1&itemid={D00652B2-D22A-44DF-A43F-C517F6455342}&tempTyp=1

This looks like a new web sight for them and i think the pics are a mistake , if you look at other pics none of them have the white outline.