Explain this LEM trigger on the P30 to me & can I dry fire?

[TronJohn]

Ok, so techincally I havent shot this thing yet because I havent been able to get to the range.

I havent even loaded it yet. (I dont like loading my guns until I can get to a range to see how they really work for safety reasons)

But when I rack the slide, the trigger seems really easy compared to the follow up pull.

I've only dry fired it twice, but can you dry fire these with out any issue?

Or is that a no no?

[STW]

You should be fine dry firing the LEM. As for function: When you rack the slide it does get easy as it's designed to do. It's preloading the hammer to about 80%. The second pull you are feeling would only occur if you had a round fail to fire giving you an option to restrike the primer. To best replicate and learn the trigger action you should dry fire and hold the trigger to the rear of it's travel and rack the slide, (remember when the gun fires this will happen automatically), after racking the slide let out on the trigger until it clicks. This is the reset point, when the trigger clicks pull it back to the rear dry firing again and repeat... Most folks that have trouble with the LEM don't use the reset and instead let it all the way back out till it stops. I suggest trying this method as it will give you less movement and more speed between shots.

Hope this helps as it's hard to tell someone how to do something without watching them do it. Reminds me of something I did at a camp when I was a kid. We had to stand back to back and instruct the person behind us how to make a PB&J sandwich while following our instructions exactly...you can only imagine the mess...

[TronJohn]

You should be fine dry firing the LEM.

What is so differente about the LEM trigger that it can be dry fired vs the V3?

As for function: When you rack the slide it does get easy as it's designed to do. It's preloading the hammer to about 80%.

Ok I get that part...

But Here is where I get lost? So you mean to tell me that because its unloaded I'm feeling a heavier trigger than normal 2nd time I pull the trigger after the first 80% pull?

The second pull you are feeling would only occur if you had a round fail to fire giving you an option to restrike the primer. To best replicate and learn the trigger action you should dry fire and hold the trigger to the rear of it's travel and rack the slide, (remember when the gun fires this will happen automatically), after racking the slide let out on the trigger until it clicks. This is the reset point, when the trigger clicks pull it back to the rear dry firing again and repeat... Most folks that have trouble with the LEM don't use the reset and instead let it all the way back out till it stops. I suggest trying this method as it will give you less movement and more speed between shots.

[STW]

I couldn't find a manual to refrence where it's safe to dry fire, somebody help me out there.



Yes, if it was loaded the weapon would fire, moving the slide to the rear and re-cocking the hammer.

[<Mach1]

Loaded or unloaded it's the same.

The heavy trigger pull is in DA only. Once the slide has been racked your in SA. After a shot is fired your SA with a short trigger reset. When the hammer falls without firing a round, which racks the slide, your back to the start with a heavy DA. It's hard to explain but as soon as you do it you'll understand.

I'd recommend snap caps for practice, but you'll be OK if you don't get too carried away. Best bet would be to get to the range & satisfy the yearning that's making you want to practice:)

[Naturil]

Go to the manual where it talks about function check.....it tells you to dry fire.

[TronJohn]

Loaded or unloaded it's the same.

The heavy trigger pull is in DA only. Once the slide has been racked your in SA. After a shot is fired your SA with a short trigger reset. When the hammer falls without firing a round, which racks the slide, your back to the start with a heavy DA. It's hard to explain but as soon as you do it you'll understand.

I'd recommend snap caps for practice, but you'll be OK if you don't get too carried away. Best bet would be to get to the range & satisfy the yearning that's making you want to practice:)

I thought the LEM was DAO?

So if it goes SA after the first slide rack, how is it DAO then?

[STW]

It's hard to explain LEM while trying to use traditional nomenclature. LEM is technically a DAO but it feels more like a SA trigger when you are using it. Just remember, anytime the slide goes back it will preload the hammer which makes it feel like a DAO, that is whether you rack it or a round is fired which will rack it. The trigger is the same from the first shot to the last but you have the option of using the trigger reset after the first shot. Don't get confused by the DA pull you are feeling after dry firing it because you will never feel that pull unless it doesn't go bang. You should have a better grasp of how it works when you shoot it...

[STW]

My suggestion when you get to the range is run at least one magazine doing a "reset drill" . Get a comfortable distance from the target and slowly fire each shot holding the trigger to the rear through the recovery of your sight picture and then slowly let the trigger out till it clicks and fire the next. Keep doing this until you can continually speed up while keeping a good sight picture and smooth trigger manipulation and you'll have it mastered. It takes a lot of repetitions to build good muscle memory. This also gives you the chance to come off the trigger as smooth and controlled as you are pressing it. Just like your draw stroke you should do each movement the same way both directions. It doesn't do you much good to teach your muscles good habits one direction and turn around and make them "unlearn" it on the way back...what works for me anyway...

[safenate]

STW, well explained.

[ruff1]

I couldn't find a manual to refrence where it's safe to dry fire, somebody help me out there.

I didn't find where it said it was UNSAFE in my manual either.

[MaverickH1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMJ1IhiEWY

[Ken_In_Colo]

STW, Good explanation of reset point. Learning to shoot w/it is key to being able to hammer (double tap) a target.

[STW]

Thanks for the kind words... As far as dry firing is concerned. I dryfire all of my HK's on a regular basis and have yet to see any negative effects. When I sent my USP for night sights and CC trigger I asked Travis to check it out...said everything looked great. It's an AA date code and I haven't been gentle...Far from a safe queen...

[Sobriquet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMJ1IhiEWY

Excellent video, Maverick. Thank you for taking the time to do that - I found it very helpful. Good looking dog, too. lol

What was the larger stainless USP with the adjustable sights?