Trussville P7

[Bolted]

I always assumed my P7 was a German police trade-in, but now I'm confused...

on the side it's marked 'Trussville'. What do I have?

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[wulkyrie]

Trussville AL is HK USA importer.
Trussville same same Chantilly same same Sterling (from a business stand point).
The police trade-ins are being imported by HK through their Trussville establishment.
Show a close-up pic of the right side of the slide & I can tell you if indeed it is a police trade-in.
BTW all current police-trade-ins are from lower saxony w/ Stamp Nds surrounded by an oval circle

[Bolted]

This is the best I've got:

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[ripley16]

Wow, a double. A Interior Saxony Border Police trade-in. The two marks BMI and NDS are the most common. I've only ever seen one other gun with both marks. The BMI mark from the Border guards, the Nds from the Saxony Police.

That's a nice looking gun. Grips look new and the gun shows little wear...nice find.

The other mark is a military acceptance proof, probably due to the BMI purchase of the gun.


Edit;
The above phrase; "A Interior Saxony Border Police trade-in" is a joke. It occured to me that some people may not realize that. I just wanted that clear.

[wulkyrie]

BMI = federal Ministry of Interior.
This is not inside a square and is crossed out & is a property sign (property of BMI). The federal ministry of interior has jurisdiction over all state police (Landerpolitzei),one of which is Nds, as well as Bundesgrenzschutz (border guard, including the famous GSG-9), the name has been changed to Bundespolitzei (border police in 2005). As such, BMI is not equivalent to border guard. You can also come across a BMI mark contained w/i a square under the Bundesadler(federal eagle), in which case it is a proof mark & not to be crossed out. German Govt does their own proofing and therefore does not bear the staghorn proofmark on items for commercial consumption. This is also the reason why your pistol does not have a staghorn, which you see on all M8, M13, M10's.

Another proof mark of the Fed Govt is BWB (a Bundesadler w/ BWB below it)(Federal office of defence techology & procurement), the civilian branch of the Bw(Bundeswehr=federal armed forces), in which case you will also see the Bw property stamp as well. The current import of P7 by PW arms belong to this category.

There is a stamp in a square(next to the Nds sign)w/ the Bundesadler w/ something under it which I cannot see well. This is the actual proof mark. But can you describe it to me what is under the eagle (it is either BMI or BWB w/ 418 or 315 under it)? Thanks

[EdMan63]

Nice find. What can you guys tell me about mine. Picked it up a couple of months ago locally. Very clean gun.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k296/EdMan63/IMG_0024.jpg

[wulkyrie]

serial # 81xx. Probably late 1980
Origin is similar to the one above except w/o the BMI property stamp. Again I cannot see the details of the proofmark. If you can describe it to me. It looks like BWB w a three-digit number below it, but I cannot be sure.

[EdMan63]

serial # 81xx. Probably late 1980
Origin is similar to the one above except w/o the BMI property stamp. Again I cannot see the details of the proofmark. If you can describe it to me. It looks like BWB w a three-digit number below it, but I cannot be sure.

Hell, I need a magnifying glass myself. I will try and locate one and read it. My aging eyes can't do it anymore.:D

[Bolted]

There is a stamp in a square(next to the Nds sign)w/ the Bundesadler w/ something under it which I cannot see well. This is the actual proof mark. But can you describe it to me what is under the eagle (it is either BMI or BWB w/ 418 or 315 under it)? Thanks

Wow, thanks guys for your replies. That's better than I expected! I'll check it out when I get home and get back to you.

[Bolted]

There is a stamp in a square(next to the Nds sign)w/ the Bundesadler w/ something under it which I cannot see well. This is the actual proof mark. But can you describe it to me what is under the eagle (it is either BMI or BWB w/ 418 or 315 under it)? Thanks

It's pretty clear - BWB 318

[marko]

These are just like mine. They disamred the Saxons, what an unruly bunch. Actually It would be odd for any of these to have actually even been pointed at anything but a target, and not very often. Man I love these pistols.

[wulkyrie]

Originally posted by Bolted:
"It's pretty clear - BWB 318 "
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My mistake: keeping thinking it was 418.

It is interesting though with BWB (military ) proofing the weapons for the police! I could not fathom the precise functioning of the system

[Whcoyote]

There are a lot of these popping up in SW Virginia. I purchased one that is dated 10/85, Has the "Bundesadler" with BWB/318 under it's wings and also has Nds in an oval - all on the slide. The frame has the BundesAdler with BWB/318 only - as does the barel.
So you folks are saying these are P7 PSPs belonging to the Saxony Police but accepted into W. German service by the Bundeswehr - correct?
Our local gun shop has about ten P7 PSPs with what appears to be hard-chromed slides. What's up with these?
Bob

[wulkyrie]

There are a lot of these popping up in SW Virginia. I purchased one that is dated 10/85, Has the "Bundesadler" with BWB/318 under it's wings and also has Nds in an oval - all on the slide. The frame has the BundesAdler with BWB/318 only - as does the barel.
So you folks are saying these are P7 PSPs belonging to the Saxony Police but accepted into W. German service by the Bundeswehr - correct?
Our local gun shop has about ten P7 PSPs with what appears to be hard-chromed slides. What's up with these?
Bob

Whcoyote,

weapons accepted into service by the Fed German govt are proofed at two facilities: BWB (415 & 318) for Bundeswehr & Landpolizei (state police); while BMI only proofs Landpolizei weapons. The fact that the Nds pistols were proofed by BWB does not indicated that these pistols belonged to Bundeswehr or used by the Bw. Weapons accepted into service of the Bundeswehr has the property stamp of Bw on it (PW ARMS ones)

[Smarzak]

Wulkyrie knows his stuff. What a pleasure to read his posts. Thanks.