P7 Trigger?

[orfeo]

Is there any difference between the trigger-pull crispness, reset, take-up, weight on the P7M8 vs the P7M13 vs the PSP? If so, which has the nicest trigger? Is it truly "almost as nice as a 1911"?

[wulkyrie]

I have handled 3 different PSPs and shot a 1911. There is no way a P7 untuned trigger can match even a stock 1911; and I am not talking about the current brands of $1K + high end clones. There are many excellent smiths out there who can do wonderful things to a 1911 trigger. If you have any doubts, go to a gun store and try out the different brands of 1911 and verify for yourself.

[orfeo]

. . . There are many excellent smiths out there who can do wonderful things to a 1911 trigger. If you have any doubts, go to a gun store and try out the different brands of 1911 and verify for yourself.

Yes, I have fired several 1911s, and I LOVE the triggers on even the cheapest of them (best triggers I've ever felt). I have never fired any of the P7s, but I have heard some guys on here say that they have triggers almost as nice as the 1911. That seemed unlikely to me, so I was trying to verify what everybody thought of that. :)

[Lukas Koukal]

Nice it is, with perfect and predictive breaking point, but can´t be compared to the 1911 trigger. The system is too different. It IS single action, but have quite some take-up and long reset. I can still shoot it better than any 1911, though...

[wulkyrie]

The P7 trigger has a fair amount of take up, which is not unusual for a service pistol; then there is the mushiness prior to break and it is not as clean as a 1911. The overtravel is very little. As far as semi auto service pistols are concerned, the Colt Browning design trigger is hard to beat.

[benderx4]

Agree with all the posters. The P7 has a wonderful SA trigger, I'm tickled silly with all of mine. BUT, and it's a big BUT, they really can't compare with the venerable 1911. Those 1911 triggers are one of a kind. (The SA match trigger on my USP45 Expert, however, comes pretty close to the feel and break of my Les Baer.)

[orfeo]

. . . (The SA match trigger on my USP45 Expert, however, comes pretty close to the feel and break of my Les Baer.)

Wow! Surprised to hear that. . . Doesn't the Expert have the same match trigger as the USP Tactical 45? . . . or does it? I happen to LOVE the USP Tactical 45, BUT. . . it doesn't seem to me to be anything like a nice 1911. I've never handled the Expert.

[orfeo]

Again, is there any difference between the trigger-pull crispness, reset, take-up, weight on the P7M8 vs the P7M13 vs the PSP? Or are they all the same??

[Lukas Koukal]

Some (and that doesn´t include me at all) report PSPs being softer, or mushier in the feel, BUT... yes, they all are pretty same.

[benderx4]

I have all three variants of the P7 and can't really tell a difference between them concerning trigger feel. If I had to choose one of my 7, I have an older P7M8 police trade-in with the mill mark that probably has the sweetest trigger of them all. (But maybe it's just my imagination.)

Wow! Surprised to hear that. . . Doesn't the Expert have the same match trigger as the USP Tactical 45? . . . or does it? I happen to LOVE the USP Tactical 45, BUT. . . it doesn't seem to me to be anything like a nice 1911. I've never handled the Expert.


I just got my Expert and I'm as surprised as you. Yes, as far as I know, the Match trigger on the Expert and the Tactical are the same. Big Bore did a trigger comparison on his HKs and his Tactical came in at about 4.5# and his Expert at about 3.5#. I would say that's about the same as both of mine.

I shot the Expert right before shooting my Les Baer and although the take up, reset, creep and pull weight were very similar, the TRS still broke more cleanly. (Hate to use that glass rod cliche but it's true.) Obviously, YMMV.

[Shakey]

I always get a kick out of 1911 comparisons. It's apples and oranges to me. The P7 series is unique. It isn't a 1911 and was never intended to be. It can be every bit as accurate due to the fixed barrel, something the 1911 will never have. The cocking mechanism makes the P7 one of the safest service pistols ever designed IMHO. I have owned and still own 1911 patterned pistols. I like them a lot. I prefer to carry an HK USP 9mm, or .40 with a match trigger. At times I still carry a P7 PSP, but the M8 remains in the safe, the same place my 1911s are. Is the P7 trigger good. It sure is. Is it a 1911 trigger? It's not a 1911. The USP is actually more closely related to the 1911, but even it is inherently different, although the SA on a match trigger is awfully good and closer in feel to my 1911s. I prefer to carry a P7 PSP over my Colts for a few good reasons. It's as comfortable as the single stack 1911 with the right holster. It feels lighter and more compact in spite of having a 4"barrel. I fire it more accurately than my Colts and it is in my opinion safer to carry with a chambered round than my 1911s. There is no difference in trigger pull between my P7PSP and P7M8 that I can tell.

[Sobriquet]

*shrug* I'm not a 1911 aficionado, but my P7M8 has the nicest trigger of any weapon I've fired to date.

In all frankness, I'm usually at a loss regarding the obsession some shooters seem to have with triggers. Maybe I got spoiled early with the quality of my HK45 and P7M8, but I've never wished for them to be any different than they are. For pistol distances and combat accuracy, I think they're just fine as-is.

At least at this point in my shooting development, I'm the limiting factor, not the weapon.

[Shakey]

At least at this point in my shooting development, I'm the limiting factor, not the weapon.

Well said. The 1911 based pistols are still prevalent in competition shooting. They have a place in the sport. HKs are combat pistols and do a very well at what they're designed for. I don't shoot in competition. My HKs serve my needs very well and with no failures.

[Scooter]

P7's trigger will never be close to a 1911 unless you do significant modifications. Since HK tends to error on the side of safety, the engagement contact is huge for a striker fired weapon. You can modified to reduce the engagement and make it break with less creep. P7 is more a rolling trigger vs. glass rod breaking of a 1911.

A good trigger will make learning to shoot easier. By keeping the trigger pull light and with minimal movement, you are less likely to pull the shot. If you are right handed and a majority of your shots are low and left, it's due to bad trigger technique. If you are being sloppy and using a bad trigger, it only makes it worse.