HK USP trigger VS 1911

[hkusp999]

So how much better is your HK USP trigger compared to a 1911?

I have shot both but was just wondering what yalls opinion is....

Also, if i do a spring replacement on my gun should i order new roll pins to or can i put the same ones back in and still have them hold tension and fit tight?

Also, where can i get a match trigger? That hkusa store is sold out I think...

[SIGtrarian]

It's extremely difficult to get an HK trigger even close to a decent 1911 trigger. It's all in the design of SA vs. SA/DA.

[robert14]

Apples and oranges - not similar in design at all. You will not get any pistol to match a tuned 1911's trigger except a good S&W revolver or older Colt wheelgun in sa mode....

[hkusp999]

Apples and oranges - not similar in design at all. You will not get any pistol to match a tuned 1911's trigger except a good S&W revolver or older Colt wheelgun in sa mode....

I carry my HK USP .45 Fullsized on duty in single action only and im wondering if its worth it to try to buy a match trigger to improve the single action trigger or if i should just accept the limitations of the USP SA trigger and drop the $2,000 for a STI 5.0 tactical 1911.

What do yall think?

[Kost]

Match trigger group will improve the standard USP trigger a whole bunch, and its well worth the price. Thats about as 'light' as a person might want to go on a 'duty weapon', I think it would be a perfect trigger for that purpose in Condition 1.

I would not drop 2K on the STI Tactical, tho its a very nice pistol. When I want an 'Ultimate 1911', I buy the basic Colt Govt. or all steel Combat Commander, and send it to either Steve Morrison or Ned Christiansen to be worked over. :)

[orfeo]

So how much better is your HK USP trigger compared to a 1911? . . .

The USP trigger better than a 1911? Ha ha ha ha. . . LOL

I love the USP, but the trigger sucks. Now a nice, tuned 1911 trigger? Well, THAT'S just a dream to shoot with. :)

[orfeo]

Match trigger group will improve the standard USP trigger a whole bunch, and its well worth the price. Thats about as 'light' as a person might want to go on a 'duty weapon', I think it would be a perfect trigger for that purpose in Condition 1. . .

Plus 100 :)

[hkusp999]

Plus 100 :)

ok so where do i find the match trigger? Ive looked at that one website with hk parts and accessories and they dont have any.... Can i call HK directly and ask politely?

[orfeo]

ok so where do i find the match trigger? Ive looked at that one website with hk parts and accessories and they dont have any.... Can i call HK directly and ask politely?

Yes you can! I would even suggest you let them install it too. ;)

[hkusp999]

Yes you can! I would even suggest you let them install it too. ;)

yeah the only problem is that this is my service pistol that i need for work. i cant send it to them to keep for a month. I might be able to down the gun for two days during my weekend to do the parts installation. Im thinking that i will have to order the parts and do the install myself.

[benderx4]

Wish you lived in Central Florida. I'd invite you to my range and let you shoot any of my USPs (match trigger and all), and then let you shoot my Springer Custom 1911. That trigger simply can not be duplicated by any SA/DA weapon - just can't be done.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3339042928_efbce12c79.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3535/3314109414_abdd2f6f54.jpg?v=0

[Morgo]

I have several USP variant pistols none of which can even compete to the triggers of my 1911's. I'm looking into getting a P7 soon hopefully the trigger on it will be getting closer to a 1911. The best trigger I've felt is on my S&W 52 thats a very nice trigger! :)

[SIGtrarian]

yeah the only problem is that this is my service pistol that i need for work. i cant send it to them to keep for a month. I might be able to down the gun for two days during my weekend to do the parts installation. Im thinking that i will have to order the parts and do the install myself.You seriously need another HK.

[HKGuns]

If you were looking for a 1911 trigger you should have purchased a 1911. However, I know of precious few LE agency's who will let you walk around with anything but a DA trigger. I'm sure there are exceptions.

As others have told you, this is an apples and oranges conversation. DA or DA/SA will never get you to 1911 territory. Although I really like the SA trigger pull on the USP.

My adivce would be to get a different gun or learn to use and like the trigger on the USP.

[hkusp999]

If you were looking for a 1911 trigger you should have purchased a 1911. However, I know of precious few LE agency's who will let you walk around with anything but a DA trigger. I'm sure there are exceptions.

As others have told you, this is an apples and oranges conversation. DA or DA/SA will never get you to 1911 territory. Although I really like the SA trigger pull on the USP.

My adivce would be to get a different gun or learn to use and like the trigger on the USP.

i guess i work at one of those precious few places. My Sgt. carries a tricked out Wilson and let me test fire one of his several STI 2011's to see if I liked it enough to carry one. He even offered to sell me his.

Im just trying to figure out if buying a double stack 1911 will be worth the two thousand dollar investment that I will be spending on trying to improve the preformance of my firearm.

[orfeo]

Don't know how workable this would be for you, but. . .

If I were you, I'd buy a fullsize USP Tactical 45 (under $1,000 already has the match-trigger, plus a few other nice goodies - look it up) and sell the regular fullsize USP you already have after you get the Tac. It actually makes alot more $$ sense than converting your USP. . .

And you are going to LOVE the Tactical 45, I assure you.

Then you will have an as-issued pistol which will ALWAYS be worth more than you paid (in decent condition). :)

[Chui]

So how much better is your HK USP trigger compared to a 1911?

I have shot both but was just wondering what yalls opinion is....

Also, if i do a spring replacement on my gun should i order new roll pins to or can i put the same ones back in and still have them hold tension and fit tight?

Also, where can i get a match trigger? That hkusa store is sold out I think...
You're freakin' kiddin me aren't you? The USP trigger is garbage compared to a 1911 trigger.

:170000:

[benderx4]

I'm not a law enforcement officer, nor have I ever been one, but I don't know that I would want a "1911" type trigger for my duty weapon. (My Springer breaks at just about 2.5 pounds. I would think the tricked out Wilson you looked at would be similar.)

IMHO, the match trigger on my USP45T would be perfect as a duty weapon. Not too much, not too little.

[loupav]

A friend of mine changed the hammer spring on his USP hoping to lighten the SA pull. He got a lot of type one malfunctions. He changed it back and decided to dry fire it until the cows came home. It's a much better trigger now.

I just got my first 1911 a few months ago. It's apples and oranges.

[hkusp999]

A friend of mine changed the hammer spring on his USP hoping to lighten the SA pull. He got a lot of type one malfunctions. He changed it back and decided to dry fire it until the cows came home. It's a much better trigger now.

I just got my first 1911 a few months ago. It's apples and oranges.

yeah im planning on doing a complete spring replacement as well but i plan on keeping FACTORY STOCK SPRING WEIGHTS. If i put in a match trigger i dont plan on messing with it any.

also i dont plan on selling my USP to buy a match. It would cost me a $1000 dollars that way and i would have to requalify on my departments firearm qualification program which isnt hard, its just a pain in the butt. This way i only spend $200 on a new trigger and ambidexterous safety.

Also, i wouldnt say that a 1911 trigger is too light or sensitive for police use. The gun wont fire untill you deactivate the safety and i dont deactivate my safety until im ready to fire. So far in my career i have pointed my weapon in plenty of peoples direction but i have NEVER removed the safety. I think a 1911 would be just as safe as any other weapon as long as you train with it and use it responsibly.

[wecamp4fun]

I installed the 10 LB Wolfe springs in both an Elite and an Expert and have not had a single FT failure in lots of rounds. It lightened the DA noticably and the SA some.

[Carrots]

I installed the 10 LB Wolfe springs in both an Elite and an Expert and have not had a single FT failure in lots of rounds. It lightened the DA noticably and the SA some.

:330: I did the same on all three of my H&K's, and likewise I have had zero problems.

[Chui]

I installed the 10 LB Wolfe springs in both an Elite and an Expert and have not had a single FT failure in lots of rounds. It lightened the DA noticably and the SA some.

Which spring are you speaking of? The "mainspring housing spring" (1911 term) or Hammer Spring? If so, what is the stock spring stiffness?

Thanks in advance.

[Carrots]

Hammer spring. Standard weight is 14lb I believe.

[Sicarius]

I havn't shot a match trigger yet but my 1911s... even the worse one is beautiful compared to my usp.
Kevin