H&K • P2000SK Vs. USP Compact

[JYogi]

OK
Anyone here have both the USP Compact and the P2000SK?

I am looking at getting one or the other for CCW in 9 mm
The USP Compact is a little narrowed than the P2000Sk and not much lighter at all.
I am a small guy with small hands.
Got to get my paws around a the P2000SK and it felt very nice (I wish they had a little bigger finger extension) but I have not mauled the USP Compact yet.

Anyone who has both?
Let me please know the pros and cons of each from a CCW standpoint.

[Bentonville]

Have you ruled out the P2000 for CCW? I have the compact, .40 and .45, and both are great but the P2000 just feels so much better and points better for me. My hands are not large but I found the SK to be just too cramped at the extension area for much shooting pleasure. Good luck.

[Nowhereman]

If you are looking for a 9mm for CCW, the P7M8 is the best... bar none!

[joehk]

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OK
Anyone here have both the USP Compact and the P2000SK?

I am looking at getting one or the other for CCW in 9 mm
The USP Compact is a little narrowed than the P2000Sk and not much lighter at all.
I am a small guy with small hands.
Got to get my paws around a the P2000SK and it felt very nice (I wish they had a little bigger finger extension) but I have not mauled the USP Compact yet.


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I have both and the P2000sk is much more adaptable to concealed carry for smaller people, if you can find a good holster. Especially in the summer. I love both and carry the P2000SK most now. However, I have found in extended shooting sessions with it, the trigger guard will rub the inside of my middle finger by the knuckle. Usually takes about 200 rounds before it becomes really irritated, but this wouldn't be a problem for carry. It does have a small grip. Gotta say, the P2000Sk trigger is by far the BEST DA trigger, out of the box I've used. You can shoot VERY fast with it w/practice and the gun is accurate as they get for a 2.4" barrel.

For tactical pistol courses and extended stuff I carry the USPc. Excellent shooter also. What I really like, is I can use the USPc mags in the P2000Sk. Both excellent guns, buy both! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

If you're wishing for a "bigger" finger extension, and like the feel and/or trigger, get the P2000. It'll take all standard mounting flashlights/laser also, like the P2000SK.

[JYogi]

Thanks Joe!
Im gonna go molest and feel up the USPC and the P2000 a little I guess.


Also...
Whoever said P7M8..
Do you have one?
I do, they are beautiful BUT they are big and heavy! Not good for CCW unless you always wear a suit or are LE. As I said I have small hands.

[eddyallenby]

i owned a P2000 V2, and traded it in for a USPc 9mm. i personally like the SA/DA trigger over the LEM trigger. i have always liked having a safety on my gun, i feel like i can turn off the gun. i dont like how the P2000 is always cocked and ready to fire, (feel the springs are always under tension and will be worn out quicker), the gun is a "better made Glock". you have to get used to the trigger, unlike the SA/DA system. and for those that say the P2000 is safer cause of the trigger (being harder and longer to pull), i just carry my USPc with the hammer down, and if i had to shoot, would use a DA pull. but the P2000 is the better looking gun, and its not a bad gun, i liked the feel of my old P2000, i felt i could point better with it, but i just liked the safety, decocker, and SA/DA trigger, but thats me. just dont get a beretta, or glock for carry! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[2000ARMY]

most weapons are safe.....as long as you keep your finger off the trigger....however I cannot disagree with anyone that likes added safety,,,personally I don't want any extra steps when I need to stop the bad guy! P2000SK is thebest weapon ever made(here comes the heat)!!!

[spartan]

Hello all,

I am a sub/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifnewbie in that I don't yet own a firearm, but I will probably buy a USPC9, unless a P2000SK9 with trigger system like USP version 1 (safety and decock) hits the market.

I quote from http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/handguns/p2000sub.html
"For shooters that prefer a conventional double-action/single-action pistol, a special DA/SA variant is planned with a decock button mounted on the rear of the frame."

I can't understand if it will also have a safety lever, or will "decock" act as "safe" (though it is not the same thing, safe means you can't pull the trigger at all).

I notice that most new handguns (like the glocks mentioned in a previous post) are DAO. Is this the wave of the future? Has SA become "conventional"? I think SA is much better both for safety and for aiming reasons.

[Nowhereman]

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Thanks Joe!
Im gonna go molest and feel up the USPC and the P2000 a little I guess.


Also...
Whoever said P7M8..
Do you have one?
I do, they are beautiful BUT they are big and heavy! Not good for CCW unless you always wear a suit or are LE. As I said I have small hands.

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um... why yes I do have a P7M8, it is slimmer than the P2000 or USPc and trimmer, no safety or levers to poke or push into the flesh. Being 2 mm shorter, only 1 mm taller and 5mm slimmer... no way are they bigger! They are heavier with the metal frame, but weight is easier to handle with a good CCW rig than bulk. The P7M8 has a better trigger and is safer, IMHO. IMHO, if you want a 9mm CCW, the P7M8 is the best.

Regards,

[Jim Archer]

How does the size compare between the P2000SK and the USPc in .40? I have a USPc in .40 and have been thinking on and off of switching to it for my carry pistol (I currently carry a Sig P239 .40).

I was going to have the USPc converted to LEM and have night sites added. But then I was thinking maybe I should get a P2000SK. I have not found a P2000SK locally to play with.

So what's the size and weight difference?

[spartan]

Finally, I got the USPc 9mm ver 1 and I am already in love with it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Althouh P2000SK is seducingliy smaller, it is DAO. For me, the hard trigger pull of DA together with a 1 inch shorter barrel, made my targeting jittery especially beyond 20 yards. Although the shorter barrel, I would definitely have bought the more concealable P2000SK if it had a SA option.

I really can't understand this DAO trend, flipping the safety lever is really very easy and can become like second nature after very little practice. And just how often would a gun with a round in the chamber fall down hammer-first?

[MichaelVain]

The LEM trigger is more a safety thing/one draw fire motion. To add a step like flipping the safety lever is one step more than some people or some agencies (which I suspect is the driving force) want.

I'm ok with the LEM trigger and it's short reset. I do prefer DA/SA though.

[Unbreakable]

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Whoever said P7M8..
Do you have one?
I do, they are beautiful BUT they are big and heavy! Not good for CCW unless you always wear a suit or are LE.

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Be very careful what you say about the P7 LOL. It has an extremely sick cult like band of fanatics who very well may lynch you if you suggest for even a second that the P7 has even a single draw back. I know a guy that had to go into hiding cause he said they were ugly.

I collect HKs so having a P7 is on the menu. But for a 13 shot compact 9mm... the Compact 9 is too much value to walk away from when compared to the P7. Of course the next argument that follows is that the P7 is the most accurate gun on the planet. The USPc 9mm will hit the target. If you make enemies out of a bunch of bees or something else really small and fast then you may need a more accurate gun.

Now as compared to the P2000. Get the USPc. That's just my preference... My real advise is play with both and find the one that fits you. As far as any argument on the "extra step" of dealing with the control lever... How lazy can you be? (That was a joke guys... please take it as such) You can very easily train deactivate the safety lever from the draw. It becomes one fluid motion to presenting the gun. Thinking of it in individual steps is not quite accurate. I would hate the USP all together is I had to draw it... then mess with the lever... then point it. With very little practice you can work with the control lever in an almost subconscious state. I had a buddy who sold his only USP cause he kept decocking it or putting the safety on while firing. I have no idea what the hell his thumb was doing but it was doing something stupid. He opted for a Beretta Elite and is now out shooting me at matches. So get the gun you like the best.

[HKGuns]

I was recently faced with a similar decision. Here is what swayed me....May or may not be of consequence to you but I'll offer it anyway.

I initially was planning to get a .40 S&W, but after shooting several different brands of pistols I found myself shooting the .45 round more accurately. I initially thought the .40 S&W would be less recoil, but I found that it is nearly the same recoil and a bit sharper as compared to the .45. (Both the USP and P2000 felt grea in my hands.)

So........

1. No P2000 in .45 (I asked H&K if they would offer the P2000 in .45 anytime soon and they didn't respond)

2. P2000 is DA only and I like the DA/SA feature of the USP.

Which is why I decided on the USP .45c and I think I made a well thought out decision.

[ocsoofficer]

I have a P2000, 40 cal, and is DA/SA with its decocker. Love it. I prefer the DA/SA to LEM coming from the revolver world (have 3).

[Adrian Gordon]

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I have a P2000, 40 cal, and is DA/SA with its decocker. Love it. I prefer the DA/SA to LEM coming from the revolver world (have 3).

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I agree. I also have the Version 3 P2000 and I think it's a fantastic gun. I too prefer the DA/SA.

My concern with the P2000SK is the very short barrel. You are giving up a good deal of velocity and therefore penetration and reliable expansion with that barrel on almost any round.

[Mountain Man]

Are there any " Structual " Differences between a compact and a P2000 that enhance durability, reliability, ETC ??

It seems only Size and trigger type are the differences.

[LOS_HOOLIGAN]

today i got to look at the P2000sk. very comfortable in my hand. too bad payday is a week away. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[hayseed_40]

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My concern with the P2000SK is the very short barrel. You are giving up a good deal of velocity and therefore penetration and reliable expansion with that barrel on almost any round.

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I do not understand the P2kSK. It is not small and it has a short barrel for its size. Why not just get a Kahr and you would have a pocket sized pistol with a longer barrel? Someone who owns one, please set me straight.

[Pharma45]

I bought the .40 P2000 for my wife and .45 USPc for myself.... she nails freakin' bulls with that .40! But I love my .45(it's sitting in an IWB on me right now) and I am never without it anymore.... owned it a month and fired 3,000 rounds through it with awesome performance and never a malfunction.....

you can't go wrong either way.... for me the .45 is my baby and the protector of my wife and 4 babies as well!

[KLR]

hayseed_40:

If you already carry the USPC or P-2000 it is a natural backup since it can use the same magazines, has same trigger (if LEM), and same magazine release.

Not overlooking the subcompact Walther- it is about time someone followed Glock's lead. Sig really needs a subcompact that is a double stack. The Sig 239 just doesn't cut it in my book.

Yeah, it is wider than a Kahr, but holds more rounds and (I think) is shorter than the K-40. When carrying belt slide or IWB, height is just as important as width. I am seriously considering trading my PM-9 towards a P-2000SK.

I see less reason for the Sig 239 than I do the P-2000 SK.

[hayseed_40]

Good points - the P239 is almost a perfect BUG. It would be nice if it held a few more rounds though.

I was excited for the SK to come out, but when it did there was just something missing. The Kahrs have it beat in all areas except capacity. I like the MK40. Considerably more narrow and a 3.09" barrel. Fits in the pocket if needed.

My point of reference is using the SK as a BUG. Is there anybody who uses it as a primary?

[MBSL]

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I do not understand the P2kSK. It is not small and it has a short barrel for its size. Why not just get a Kahr and you would have a pocket sized pistol with a longer barrel? Someone who owns one, please set me straight.

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My $.02

Well, I can finally chime in on this thread since I bought a P2000 SK yesterday and did some shooting with it today. I currently own or have owned USPc's in 9, .357, and .45, a P2K 9mm, the P2000 SK in 9, and a Kahr T9 (and have shot others extensively).

I'm actually going through the same thing where I am trying to decide what I want to use for carry. With my build, if I carry a thicker gun, it looks like I have a massive tumorous growth coming off my hip if I am just wearing a shirt over the gun, hence in those situations, usually the Kahr because it is thinner. The T9 is a bit long in the grip and I don't like the weight distribution given the steel frame for the way I carry and will probably get a PM9 for when I carry the Kahr. I honestly don't think the SK can replace the Kahr for certain modes of carry that I like. Will get another P7 one day for range use, but the grip is just a little too blocky for my liking and I don't feel like waiting for months to get quality custom holsters for it.

At the other end of the spectrum, if I can wear a leather jacket, I carry the USPc 45 in standard strong side OWB holster or in a IWB if I'm wearing a shorter jacket. It is bar-none my favorite for carry, and converted to V9 so there is no possiblity of an accidental decock when bringing it off safe. As others have said, bringing the gun off safe is just part of the draw and manipulation of it has become 2nd nature.

The P2K just didn't do it for me and I do prefer C&L over the LEM trigger and the P2K is about the same size as a regular USPc. However, the SK is attractive because of the smaller size. The space b/w the floorplate extension and frame does pinch my pinky a bit, and I do want to try it with a flush floorplate. The hard rubber can snag more easily on some materials, so I'll probably just use regular USPc 9 mags as spares . . . if it has gotten to the point where I need a spare mag, concealability and comfort of the grip probably aren't going to be my immediate priorities. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I've always loved the HK mag releases on the P7 and USP series, as well as the slide stop compared to all other guns, including the Kahr. The SK is faster back on target and has larger, clearer sights to me than the Kahr as well. The Kahr does have a longer trigger reset which for me makes for slower followup shots, but, it is thin and light (at least the PM9 is light). I've had malfunctions (rare, but they have happened) with the Kahr's I've owned. Never with a HK.

Sooooo, I guess the SK for me, fills the gap b/w the Kahr and USPc 45. Still trying to figure out if I like the SK enough and if it gives enough additional options to warrant getting used to the LEM and keeping this gun. Don't get me wrong, it is easy enough to shoot well with the LEM trigger if you are used to other triggers, I just want to shoot it as well and as quickly as I do with my other guns. Probably will know in a few weeks if I will end up keeping the SK.

Oh yeah, some standard lights like the SF X200 do not fit on the abbreviated SK rail.

Hope that helps!

[JYogi]

OK time for me to chime back in...

Went to my local range which has the most HK for rent, dont care for the range but since they have the HK line I had to go there over my normal shooting haunt.

I went there wanting to shoot the P2000, P2000SK and USP C.

They did not have a P2000 for rent but they had the SK (I thought they wouldnt have the SK as its new and wasnt sure if theyd have the P2000)

Anyway I am sticking with 9 mm
I just hear too many stories about 40 going KB (of course never in an HK) and I just dont want to mess with that hot of a round in that think of a cart. and 45 just doesnt fit my hands well (I wish it did)

Regardless thats not the point.

P2000 SK TOO DAMN SMALL! I have small hands thin fingers so I can handle the baby glocks with the finger extension (I dont like them though) so I though the 2000 SK would work for me but it just did not feel well at all! I was hanging off it and did not like it.

USP C IT WAS GREAT in my hands!!! Shot great what more can I say.

P2000 I could not shoot on there, but I was able to handle on in the case and it really felt great in my hands...

So great when I was looking around on the web just price browsing I found a store with the 04 P2000 9 mm LEM NIB with 2 HK Hi Caps shipped for 700...
I could not resist and I bought it... I think that was a pretty good price wasnt it?

Someday I may buy a 2000 SK just to have it for the collection but there are a few pieces in front of it including 4 more P7's

Yes I still have and love my P7 but I just dont like it as a CCW piece for me. Its too heavy and just doesnt print well on me with the way I dress.

[Binary]

How is the accurancy of the P2000SK compared to the USP Compact?

I want to purchase the P2000SK 9mm and this will be my first H&K. Can't make up my mind.

[JYogi]

The USP C is going to me more accurate, it has more of a barrel to it...

I THINK the P2000SK will be quicker for follow up shots as I think the system they have in there has less of a recoil.

[Big Bore]

IMO the accuracy limitation is going to lay with the shooter. I believe both pistols will out-shoot most shooter's ability to shoot with them. Of course, the longer the sight radius the easier it is to shoot more accurately but inherent accuracy differences between the USPC and the P2K I don't think you will find any.

[Montrala]

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Of course, the longer the sight radius the easier it is to shoot more accurately but inherent accuracy differences between the USPC and the P2K I don't think you will find any.

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Last week USPc 9mm owner shooting next to me wanted to try my P2000SK on 15m distance. He was actually more accurate with my P2000SK than with his own USPc. On 15m I'm equally accurate with my P2000 and P2000SK.

On other hand P2000 and USPc have almost same barrel and sight line lenghts, same recoil system so no big differences here.

[flintsghost]

I have both a pair of USPc's V1's(9mm and 45acp) and I also have a P2000SK V3 in 40. I like all three. My hands aren't overly large but they aren't small either. I wear a size 9 glove. I can handle the P2SK with or without the X-grip and it feels OK either way. I like the USPc's with the flat mag floorplate when carrying but when shooting I don't care. A shop I deal with has a near new P2000 in 9mm and it feels OK to me and it is slightly smaller than the the USPc's in grip, though the mags are identical. Perhaps it's the changable grips, I don't know. If you are looking for a screaming bargain on a straight P2000 in 9mm, send me a PM or Email and I'll pass their info on to you. It's priced at $450 which I think is rediculously low. Good luck

[Cobra64]

Hello all,

I am a sub/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifnewbie in that I don't yet own a firearm, but I will probably buy a USPC9, unless a P2000SK9 with trigger system like USP version 1 (safety and decock) hits the market.

I quote from http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/handguns/p2000sub.html
"For shooters that prefer a conventional double-action/single-action pistol, a special DA/SA variant is planned with a decock button mounted on the rear of the frame."

I can't understand if it will also have a safety lever, or will "decock" act as "safe" (though it is not the same thing, safe means you can't pull the trigger at all).

I notice that most new handguns (like the glocks mentioned in a previous post) are DAO. Is this the wave of the future? Has SA become "conventional"? I think SA is much better both for safety and for aiming reasons.You are making too many assumptions.

Go to HK Germany site here: http://www.heckler-koch.de/core.php?dat=Y29tcG9uZW50PW5hdmlnYXRpb24mYWN0aW9uP XNob3cmeElEPWZyYW1lQ29udGVudCZjSUQ9MjEmbWFpbklEPTQ mc3ViSUQ9MjE=

You can get the P2000 and P2000sk with several different "variants."

I have the P2000 Variant 3. The decocking lever is on the rear of the gun. If the gun is cocked, it is in SA mode. If you decock using the rear decocking lever, it will be in DA mode.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Heckler%20Koch/HKP2000V3Decocker.jpg

http://www.heckler-koch.de/core.php?dat=Y29tcG9uZW50PWFydGljbGVzJmFjdGlvbj1za G93JnhJRD1kZXRhaWxQYXJhJnBhcmFJRD0yMDQmaXRlbUlEPTE xNiZ0eXBlSUQ9MTkyNSZtYWluSUQ9NCZzdWJJRD0yMQ==

Don't make assumptions. An HK is totally different from a Glock. Glocks have zero safeties and has zero decockers.

[hkmike]

I have both pistols in 9mm. The p2000sk is easier to conceal then the uspc, but thats not to say the uspc is hard to conceal. The p2000sk is just shorter in the grip and seems slightly slimmer in the slide Just do yourself a favor and get yourself a good holster and belt it can make all the differance when ccw Try FIST HOLSTERS THEY MAKE EXCELLENT CUSTOM HOLSTERS AND WAIT TIME CURRENTLY IS ABOUT 4 WEEKS! Some of the generic holsters such as hume ,bianchi, etc... do the job but the leather is a little flimsy, IMHO

[BostonLager]

Bianchi has made some great holsters for me. I just have the wet molded Model 82 and 83 for my GLOCK 17 though.

I use a Desantis thumb break scabard for my Heckler & Koch USPc .45 AUTO

But here in IL we dont have CCPs so I dont normally wear a holster.

[dirtdawg]

I have both USP-C & P2SK but in 40SW.

The P2SK is easier to conceal, in part due to the shorter grip. The recoil is 'snappier' in the P2SK, but double taps are not that difficult.

I have a MS VMII for the P2SK and a MaxCon V on order for the USP-C. I'd imagine either will be fine-but the MaxCon V is thinner.

Solution? Buy both-let your creditors decide!:2100000:

[Cobra64]

i owned a P2000 V2, and traded it in for a USPc 9mm. i personally like the SA/DA trigger over the LEM trigger. i have always liked having a safety on my gun, i feel like i can turn off the gun. i dont like how the P2000 is always cocked and ready to fire, (feel the springs are always under tension and will be worn out quicker), the gun is a "better made Glock". you have to get used to the trigger, unlike the SA/DA system. and for those that say the P2000 is safer cause of the trigger (being harder and longer to pull), i just carry my USPc with the hammer down, and if i had to shoot, would use a DA pull. but the P2000 is the better looking gun, and its not a bad gun, i liked the feel of my old P2000, i felt i could point better with it, but i just liked the safety, decocker, and SA/DA trigger, but thats me. just dont get a beretta, or glock for carry! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifAlmost everything you said in general about the P2000 is incorrect, or you bought the wrong configuration.

H&K P2000 V3 DA/SA with rear decocker:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Heckler%20Koch/HK2000-left.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Heckler%20Koch/HK2000-right.jpg

The above is not a LEM.





The decocker is left of the hammer in the left photo.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Heckler%20Koch/HKP2000V3Decocker.jpg

[Cobra64]

OK time for me to chime back in...

P2000 SK TOO DAMN SMALL! I have small hands thin fingers so I can handle the baby glocks with the finger extension (I dont like them though) so I though the 2000 SK would work for me but it just did not feel well at all! I was hanging off it and did not like it.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/untitled-1.jpg

"That DAMN compact gun is too DAMN compact!"

[tntexans72]

I owned a G23, P228, and now a P2K .40 w/decocker. The P2K is very manageable and my P228 actually kick a little bit more with +p. The doubletab on my P2K is right on the mark w/practice of course. The pinky rest was uncomfortable at first but it's starting to grow on me. It's a very solid little gun. It's the whole package for me and I am loving it. I ordered a base floor plate for the magazine to see if the flush magazine will make the grip more comfortable. Other than that, I am very happy with the quality, reliability, accuracy, and power of this gun. It suited my needs as a whole. I had it in my front shorts pocket and my wife couldn't tell I was carrying a gun until I pointed it out.

[spyder1439]

if you are looking for a gun to ccw then the smaller gun is going to be the easiest to conceal. my 5 shot revolver sw 442 fits in the palm of my hand or in my front pocket but it only carries 5 shots so i only carry it as a last resort when off duty and as a bug when on duty. mostly i carry my p2ksk b/c it is so small and still holds 9+1. I could carry my glock 23 but it is larger so why carry the extra weight and size when i dont have to.

i suggest get the uspc and the p2ksk and then you have the option to carry either one depending on what you are wearing/doing.

[ikor]

I prefer the 2000. It is big enough to grab in a hurry and small enough to conceal and shoots like a house on fire for me at least (LEM). The SK is just too small for me to get a good grip on in a hurry and the USPc is not the equal of the 2000 in accuracy from the holster in my opinion although it IS a great pistol. JMO