HK in Georgia - real SURPRISE !!

[Samael77]

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Tbilisi, GEORGIA: Georgian special police forces march along Rustaveli Prospect in central Tbilisi late 30 June 2005. Several thousand people, mainly sportsmen, blocked the avenue to protest the three-month jail sentence of Georgia's boxing federation chief Alexi Davitashvili and European judo champion Georgy Revazishvili on extortion charges. Police violently dispersed the rally which blocked the center of the capital, arresting up to 70 people and clubbing many more. AFP PHOTO / STRINGER

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[BansheeOne]

Surprise indeed. I believe I've seen their army use G 3's, but that's new.

[HUKI365]

Nice guns. Balaclavas could use some work, and the politics...well lets not get into that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Thanks SS.

[Swedish Chef]

Very intersting, and a rare find /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif, thanks Sam! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kmb147]

Awesome! My godmother lives in Tbilisi and I was planning on visiting her this fall--I hope I see some G36s and other cool HKs while I'm there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hkusp999]

uhhh i dont think you would really like to see those hk's first hand. sounds like those sportsmen regretted it!

[Swedish Chef]

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A suspect charged for throwing a grenade at the US president detained
2005-07-21 15:25:22

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Thanks to "He219".

[Slateman]

Oh . . . . . that Georgia /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I thought you meant the state of GA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Silly, arrogant American /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Anyway, nice pics

[Swedish Chef]

LOL! I thought the exact same thing when I first saw this thread, so I guess I'm an silly, arrogant Swede /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif.

Thanks Slateman /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif.

[He219]

*bump*

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Georgian special police walk near a house that was hit during a recent shootout in the village of Ergneti some 100 km (62 miles) from the capital Tbilisi August 5, 2008. Georgia on Tuesday denied readying for war in its breakaway South Ossetia region following deadly weekend clashes that have stoked fears of a new war in the volatile Caucasus.

and from the past:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9562/53177365re1.jpg

Tbilisi, GEORGIA: Georgian special police forces march along Rustaveli Prospect in central Tbilisi late 30 June 2005. Several thousand people, mainly sportsmen, blocked the avenue to protest the three-month jail sentence of Georgia's boxing federation chief Alexi Davitashvili and European judo champion Georgy Revazishvili on extortion charges. Police violently dispersed the rally which blocked the center of the capital, arresting up to 70 people and clubbing many more.

[edman99]

A blast from the past!

Thanks for the update and nice pics.

[Swedish Chef]

^Ditto! :D

[Volodymyr]

I found some...

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/4-1924.jpg

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/002-2503.jpg

[HKCHEF]

These guys look serious, nice pics.

[Teufel]

http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gw3q7d.jpg

High-Res ;)

[MueveloNYC]

Well if you think about it, they would have to go HK or someone else... It's not like Russia is going to supply their "enemy" with Russian AK's. LOL

I also saw some picture on the AP newswire with a tank that clearly was a swiss design... So it looks like they've been having to procure military arsenal from elsewhere...

[HC]

I also saw some picture on the AP newswire with a tank that clearly was a swiss design....

Erm. Very unlikely. The Swiss haven't produced their own tank designs for a very long time. The last tank manufactured in Switzerland was the Pz 87, a licensed copy of the German Leopard 2. Needless to say, none of those were exported, certainly not to Georgia.

Cheers

HANS

[MueveloNYC]

Hmm... well it's definitely not the Russian tank then... let me see if I can dig through that slide show and find it again...

[ikor]

They have (or had, at least) a 'hodgepodge' of weapons...Israeli Tavors, Bushmaster M16s and lots of AK74s from who knows where (Bulgaria? Dunno) my guess would be very few H&Ks as Germany is not a huge supporter of the little country. Doesn't matter much now, however, as the Russkies have well and truely overwhelmed them...

[Montrala]

Just because Russia screws up occasionally doesn't mean the current conflict is entirely their fault, and just because the UN has its problems doesn't mean they send our troops to their death.

Yes, and Hitler in '38 was only seeing after human rights of german people in "Sudetenland" that was "abused by evil Czechoslovak tyrrany".

We here are neighbours to Russia, we know history, we know policy, we know how Russia "think". What threats were issued against Poland joining NATO and UE. That Russia wants Poland to have less gauarantees of safety that other NATO countries. Last year Russia threated Poland, that if we will accept US "anti-missle" base, they will move few houndreds medium range missles (including nukes) to our border (not real problem as they have over lots of them here now). For them even fact that Poland (and Lietuva, Latvia or Estonia) is sovereign coutry with it's own policy is offencing.

Problem of Georgia is not Osetia or Abchasia. Problem is that it's sovereign, democratic country, that wants to work with "The West", but it's small and neighbors Russia (for most Russians it's just rebbeled province). And this Russia will not tolerate. Not after loosing "european colonies" together with Baltic Republics. Now Ukraine is slipping from it's graps (but Ukraine is huge country, not pocket-republic like Georgia, they can put fight, so in this case more econimic blakmailing and seducing is used).

What dou you think, why even Belarus (strongly anti-west and anti-US in it's policy and talks) didn't support Russia on this one? Becouse they now of real intentions and that it's not unlikelly for them to be next (regime in Belarus is not even democratic - "good Russia" shoud do something about it!). And there are lot of russian people leaving in Belarus, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lietuva and Mother Russia will come to help them from oppression. Will NATO die for Tallin? Word was not ready to die for Vienna, Prague or Gdansk. It took full scale war in Poland to wake up for rest of Europe. Can we learn from history?

Russia for good hundred of years was empire. They lost it, but they did not lost imperial approach. Now they want to rebuild it, no matter of cost or mean.

BTT In polish newspaper I saw picture of regular Georgia troops preparing to defend Tiblisi. All with AKs but one of them had.... SL8! It had scope on in and was painted green (it was seen that paint wears out od some parts).

Took photo of photo with my mobile ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/montrala/PIC-0007.jpg

[CNADNSL8-5]

I thought this was a HK picture thread, not a political one.

[Shattered Mind]

Fooled you, eh?

[Fritz Werner]

Awesome! My godmother lives in Tbilisi and I was planning on visiting her this fall--I hope I see some G36s and other cool HKs while I'm there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BREAKING NEWS:

ARD German TV slams illegal G36 transfers to Georgia - three years after hkpro.com reported...

Check out the English version of Deutsche Welle:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3571263,00.html?maca=en-kalenderblatt_topthema_englisch-347-rdf

Well, I reckon some folks at HK as well as a bunch of bureaucrats and spooks are rather grumpy now...

[Arnie100]

BREAKING NEWS:

ARD German TV slams illegal G36 transfers to Georgia - three years after hkpro.com reported...

Check out the English version of Deutsche Welle:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3571263,00.html?maca=en-kalenderblatt_topthema_englisch-347-rdf

Well, I reckon some folks at HK as well as a bunch of bureaucrats and spooks are rather grumpy now...

Are they even sure those are from Germany? The Spaniards manufacture G-36s also you know!

[TheGunner]

My last news were that HK asked the German Gov. for permition to sell some 300 G36 to Georgia. Cause of the situation down there the German Gov. has VERBOTEN to sell any G36 to Georgia.

And now the guns that should not be there are used in this war.
This means trouble for HK. The well knowen heads of the liberals and green-party are allready on there track to kick HK´s a**.

[Shattered Mind]

This means trouble for HK.


Or not... could be trouble for some enterprising arms dealer, however.

[Volodymyr]

Or not... could be trouble for some enterprising arms dealer, however.

Exactly, it's not exactly hard to find weapons these days. Just because Georgia is a legitimate and established government doesn't mean they don't supply themselves via less-than-legal means. A lot of people would argue that is why we let a lot of arms dealers get away with it.

[MueveloNYC]

this is yet even more proof at the futility of gun laws. Even on an international level it's futile!

[MueveloNYC]

Yes, and Hitler in '38 was only seeing after human rights of german people in "Sudetenland" that was "abused by evil Czechoslovak tyrrany".

We here are neighbours to Russia, we know history, we know policy, we know how Russia "think". What threats were issued against Poland joining NATO and UE. That Russia wants Poland to have less gauarantees of safety that other NATO countries. Last year Russia threated Poland, that if we will accept US "anti-missle" base, they will move few houndreds medium range missles (including nukes) to our border (not real problem as they have over lots of them here now). For them even fact that Poland (and Lietuva, Latvia or Estonia) is sovereign coutry with it's own policy is offencing.

Problem of Georgia is not Osetia or Abchasia. Problem is that it's sovereign, democratic country, that wants to work with "The West", but it's small and neighbors Russia (for most Russians it's just rebbeled province). And this Russia will not tolerate. Not after loosing "european colonies" together with Baltic Republics. Now Ukraine is slipping from it's graps (but Ukraine is huge country, not pocket-republic like Georgia, they can put fight, so in this case more econimic blakmailing and seducing is used).

What dou you think, why even Belarus (strongly anti-west and anti-US in it's policy and talks) didn't support Russia on this one? Becouse they now of real intentions and that it's not unlikelly for them to be next (regime in Belarus is not even democratic - "good Russia" shoud do something about it!). And there are lot of russian people leaving in Belarus, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lietuva and Mother Russia will come to help them from oppression. Will NATO die for Tallin? Word was not ready to die for Vienna, Prague or Gdansk. It took full scale war in Poland to wake up for rest of Europe. Can we learn from history?

Russia for good hundred of years was empire. They lost it, but they did not lost imperial approach. Now they want to rebuild it, no matter of cost or mean.

BTT In polish newspaper I saw picture of regular Georgia troops preparing to defend Tiblisi. All with AKs but one of them had.... SL8! It had scope on in and was painted green (it was seen that paint wears out od some parts).

Took photo of photo with my mobile ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/montrala/PIC-0007.jpg

SL8 modified to take G36 mags? o_0

[Montrala]

SL8 modified to take G36 mags? o_0

No. SL8-5 have 30rd mags avaiable in Europe. Also G36 mags can be modified to fit SL8 (they are way cheaper to get that 30rd SL8 mags). You only need to have SL8-5 (or in fact some other european versions too, like SL8-4) with double stack magazines magwell.

[bakkufu]

I'm sorry but firearms? Used in combat? whatever next!!!! O.O

[MueveloNYC]

No. SL8-5 have 30rd mags avaiable in Europe. Also G36 mags can be modified to fit SL8 (they are way cheaper to get that 30rd SL8 mags). You only need to have SL8-5 (or in fact some other european versions too, like SL8-4) with double stack magazines magwell.

Ah! Thanks for the clarification!

[bigdog2003_99]

thats why some people are trying to import their sl8's from canada, since they still have the double stacked mags...

as far as the georgian conflict, i wonder if they are using many of the sl8's

[Montrala]

as far as the georgian conflict, i wonder if they are using many of the sl8's

SL8 is "civilian, sporting rifle" so no need for export licence from German goverment. You can basically buy them from any gunshop in Europe. As they make quite good DMR then it can be more of them in use by Georgia Army than we think. I seriously doubt that this photographer managed to catch only one they have. Remember that it uses different caliber ammo, so they needed to ogranise additional ligistics - not worth for handfull of rifles in regular army. But if they replaced SVDs with them on squad level (SVD also uses different caliber ammo than assault rifles) logistics stays same, only can deliver more rounds in given weight/volume (5.56x45 vs. 7.62x54R).

Lack of FA is not a problem, becouse in former soviet block DMRs (SVD and it's clones) where always semi-auto. Even now Polish Army uses manual repetier as DMR (Sako TRG-22 replaced SVD in our "first line" units), but I think this is too hardcore approach and our guys in Iraq and A-stan would welcome HK417 to replace TRGs. We had one marksman who defended (most of his squad was injured) ambushed column with his TRG. Intervieved he remembered that he was more concetrated on fast operating of bolt and magazine changes (10rd magazine, not very fast to change) than on actual shooting. Even SL8 with 30rd magazine would make his task easier.

[DuceAnAHalf]

Exactly, it's not exactly hard to find weapons these days. Just because Georgia is a legitimate and established government doesn't mean they don't supply themselves via less-than-legal means. A lot of people would argue that is why we let a lot of arms dealers get away with it.

Have you seen "Lord Of War"

The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I *do* rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of *your* enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.

[Swedish Chef]

Could we please keep this thread HK related from here on.

[Volodymyr]

Have you seen "Lord Of War"

One of my all time favorites.


Could we please keep this thread HK related from here on.

Sorry for sneaking the answer in, it seemed like a legit question. In fact now I am going to have to watch it again because I am sure there has to be an HK in there somewhere. Haven't seen it in a while!

[Fritz Werner]

Check out these pics from the latest incident in Georgia when shots were fired on the convoy of President Saakashvili and his Polish counterpart Lech Kaczynski:

http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2008/11/23/1227464100350_627.jpg

http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00kccce2.jpg

[Fritz Werner]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09pk39I6g11aV/610x.jpg

Georgian soldiers search the mutinied military base in Mukhrovani, some 30ekm from Tbilisi, Georgia, 05 May 2009. Georgia put down a mutiny at a military base at the Mukhrovani and indict Moscow of financing a coup on the eve of NATO war games in the former Soviet republic.

Thanks to Lancero

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AP Photo

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, second right, surrounded by his guards is seen at the military base where a brief mutiny broke out, in Mukhrovani, about 20 miles (30 kilometers) from Tbilisi, Georgia, Tuesday, May 5, 2009.

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