Stop The Torture!

[H&K 4 LIFE]

To me there is nothing worse than these "torture test" people. They take these beautiful high-quality, not to mention expensive, firearms and put them through absolute hell. While durability is a worthwhile thing to test, I believe it should be done by regular intended use and not extreme torture just for the hell of it. In my opinion, the only people who have a right to torture test a gun is the military, for they are the only ones who would ever encounter such extreme conditions and circumstances. The regular armed citizen has enough time to clean and care for his weapon properly, plus that I would never trust my life to something I intentionally tried to break.

This is just uncalled for and is simply appalling. :(
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item

This person soaked his Glock in salt water among other things and completely corrodid most of the parts. The pictures of the rusted internals made me want to slap this guy in the mouth. He also shot it with a .22 and dragged it behind a truck. People like this should not be allowed to own such fine firearms and should probably have there permit revoked for doing downright dangerous things. Why did he do it? Just to see if it would break. How pathetic.

Now if you really hate Glocks you may not care or even say "good", but thats not all. Furthurmore, this ignorant person took someone elses USP and poured sand in it too! He claims it was a "customer" (I assume this guy owns a shop, which frightens me to no end) asking to put 500rnds through a recently repaired USP compact to test it's function. No where does he state that he was given permission by the owner to pour sand in his gun, nevertheless he did so. If I got my pistol back from this guy's shop and there was tons of scratches and wear marks from pouring sand in it there would be hell to pay. If I saw a single scratch that wasn't there when I dropped it off he would be buying me a new pistol thats for god damn sure,, mainly because there is no way I could trust it after some wacko had his way with it. This all sounds like some jerk-offs fantasy because whos paying for the 500rnds hes supposedly going to fire, him or the customer? Hmmmmm, last time I checked ammunition wasn't free. Also, why couldn't the "customer" test his own pistol? This makes very little sense in addition to the unecessary abuse of both pistols.

In addition, most of these un-intelligent people fire the tortured gun by holding it. Virtually none of them use a ransom rest and fire it remotely. So not only are they destroying their guns for no reason but they put themselves in danger of them failing catastophically.

Please, STOP THE TORTURE! This is mindless and meaningless destruction of perfectly good working firearms. Be kind to your guns, clean and maintain them well. If you treat it well, it will repay you tenfold if you ever need to defend your life.

[TexKettering]

Well... it is his Glock.

Let him have his fun.

[SFCat66]

People for the Ethical Treatment of Firearms

[H&K 4 LIFE]

True you can do what you want with your own property, but taking someone elses gun and doing the same is what really got me heated.

Additionally, this does not excuse the fact that in my eyes this is very dangerous.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

People for the Ethical Treatment of Firearms

Here Here! :100000:

[Scooter]

That article again. The USPc that was tested by Big Bore (not the one here) was asked to be tested. If a gun is worked on, it gets tested by the gunsmith that worked on it, not the customer. Example, you don't hand a customer a gun that you did a trigger job on, but didn't test fire it and ask the customer to go test fire it and if it goes full auto, bring it back.

In the world of firearms, these are not expensive firearms. An expensive firearm is a $80,000 Perazzi or even a $3000 custom built 1911. HK is just a run of the mill, production gun.

[AGG]

People for the Ethical Treatment of Firearms

. . . of Arms (PETA)! ;)

[AviatorDave]

To me there is nothing worse than these "torture test" people. They take these beautiful high-quality, not to mention expensive, firearms and put them through absolute hell. While durability is a worthwhile thing to test, I believe it should be done by regular intended use and not extreme torture just for the hell of it. In my opinion, the only people who have a right to torture test a gun is the military, for they are the only ones who would ever encounter such extreme conditions and circumstances. The regular armed citizen has enough time to clean and care for his weapon properly, plus that I would never trust my life to something I intentionally tried to break.

This is just uncalled for and is simply appauling. :(
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item

This person soaked his Glock in salt water among other things and completely corrodid most of the parts. The pictures of the rusted internals made me want to slap this guy in the mouth. He also shot it with a .22 and dragged it behind a truck. People like this should not be allowed to own such fine firearms and should probably have there permit revoked for doing downright dangerous things. Why did he do it? Just to see if it would break. How pathetic.

Now if you really hate Glocks you may not care or even say "good", but thats not all. Furthurmore, this ignorant person took someone elses USP and poured sand in it too! He claims it was a "customer" (I assume this guy owns a shop, which frightens me to no end) asking to put 500rnds through a recently repaired USP compact to test it's function. No where does he state that he was given permission by the owner to pour sand in his gun, nevertheless he did so. If I got my pistol back from this guy's shop and there was tons of scratches and wear marks from pouring sand in it there would be hell to pay. If I saw a single scratch that wasn't there when I dropped it off he would be buying me a new pistol thats for god damn sure,, mainly because there is no way I could trust it after some wacko had his way with it. This all sounds like some jerk-offs fantasy because whos paying for the 500rnds hes supposedly going to fire, him or the customer? Hmmmmm, last time I checked ammunition wasn't free. Also, why couldn't the "customer" test his own pistol? This makes very little sense in addition to the unecessary abuse of both pistols.

In addition, most of these un-intelligent people fire the tortured gun by holding it. Virtually none of them use a ransom rest and fire it remotely. So not only are they destroying their guns for no reason but they put themselves in danger of them failing catastophically.

Please, STOP THE TORTURE! This is mindless and meaningless destruction of perfectly good working firearms. Be kind to your guns, clean and maintain them well. If you treat it well, it will repay you tenfold if you ever need to defend your life.

A few musings -
As for the customers UPS, he did say "After that we gave up, on the USP and took turns emptying the several full 21 mags." It is at least implied that the customer was present.

As for a permit being revoked, he's in Ohio, so unless you're talking about a CCW permit, he doesn't need a permit just to own and use a handgun like some of the less free states in the union.

It is his gun, he can do whatever he wants with it that is within the law.

But mainly, you can't really say its mindless and meaningless destruction. Firstly because he's put a lot of thought into ways to break it, and secondly, it doesn't appear he's even begun to destroy it.

I'm actually very surprised at how good it looked after all the abuse, it just looks worn, that's it. But as for the USP not firing after being dunked in a bucket of sand - that doesn't really bother me. I'm sure my P7 can do the same thing since it doesn't have an exposed hammer, but it's not a $400 Block either, so there's no way I'm doing that to it.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

He claims the work done on the USPc was done by HK and that the customer bought it to him to put 500rnds. through it. If what you are saying is true of all gunsmiths then HK must have fired it upon completion of the repairs. Meaning that it was ready for the customer to put however many rounds through it that he chose. I see no reason why he then took it to this guy to shoot and it baffles me more that he would consent to such abuse.

While HKs and Glocks may not be "expensive" per say, I know I personally don't have $1000 to throw away by destroying my HK. Not even $500 to waste doing the same to my Glock, and I know many people probably feel the same way. And why destroy it for that matter when that gun will run for the rest of your life if you just took care of it properly.

[cjennings]

Alright, I might not go to that extreme, but seriously, come on people. These are combat weapons.

I had a crowd of gasps when I had my G-36/Sl-8 with my $1300 Nightforce scope and KAC forend and all lock up on me (bad round, not the guns fault). I smashed target down with but end of the rifle and threw it to the ground to transition to my side arm during training (oh the horror of hearing the rifle hit the ground). What the hell do you expect me to do. (yes this was unit training, not just competition training, I train to use these for real). When my scenario had 5 hostiles and I locked up on the 3rd target, well, no time to sling or set down, its an urban shootout where we got jumped. In real life its all about returning overwhelming fire power and advancing/getting to cover. People will always resort to their lowest level of training, so out here, when we have a failure we transition, even if that means to our damn pocket knife. Its how we train.

If my rifle, (alright, that's my fun toy, not my duty rifle, but still all but the same) cant take a beating, and my scope and its LaRue mounts cant take getting tossed to the ground, what the hell kind of a combat system is it.

These things are designed to take a beating, they are not race guns, the are not collector pieces. Now I do not abuse my guns like the link shows. But nor do I treat them like jewelry. I do not spend hours cleaning them, hell I go thousands of rounds before I ever even thing about pulling it apart. The front of my gun is so fouled it would make some of the members on this board cry... I also have enough faith in it to keep me safe at the end of the day, thats the point of a tactical battle weapon.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

I am all for durability. If you are forced to throw your gun to the ground, then do so. If you happen to drop it in the mud in a heated situation and need to fire it, then fire it. My problem lies with intentionally abusing the firearms to such a degree that you are trying to make it malfunction. Espescailly when that malfunction may be dangerous.

[Addison]

If someone is dumb enough to go out and buy a gun and ruin it just to prove it can take it... whatever... they can waste their money if they want to.

The "torture tests" on Guns and Ammo TV, however, make me puke in my mouth.

I don't know for certain, but my guess is that they're getting those things for free from the manufacturer and I CRINGE when they just destroy it instead of just giving it away to someone who deserves it, like me... :D

When they blew up that Springield M1A a few episodes ago I wanted to hurt somebody. :18:

[H&K 4 LIFE]

If someone is dumb enough to go out and buy a gun and ruin it just to prove it can take it... whatever... they can waste their money if they want to.

The "torture tests" on Guns and Ammo TV, however, make me puke in my mouth.

I don't know for certain, but my guess is that they're getting those things for free from the manufacturer and I CRINGE when they just destroy it instead of just giving it away to someone who deserves it, like me... :D

When they blew up that Springield M1A a few episodes ago I wanted to hurt somebody. :18:

I agree completely. Why systematically put a firearm through hell when it takes less than half the effort envolved to clean it and care for it? Waste of a gun, waste of money, waste of time, waste of effort.

[Scooter]

Repeat after me, "IT'S JUST A TOOL"

[H&K 4 LIFE]

It is just a tool. But for a man who whipes the fingerprints off his gun everytime he touches it, it is a hard pill to swallow. :)

Like many of you, I have grown up with firearms and was taught to respect them. Doing so will never get you into trouble but doing the opposite very well might. Why risk it?

Is he allowed to do whatever he wants to his pistol, sure he can. Am I allowed to express my thoughts on this mistreatment (which he posted on the internet, a public domain) I sure am, take my views whichever way you please. Thank god we live in America where we can actually own guns and form our own individual thoughts and opinions on how they should be used.

[Scooter]

But for a man who whipes the fingerprints off his gun everytime he touches it,

Maybe that's a habit from another line of work you do.

[sfguard]

I agree completely. Why systematically put a firearm through hell when it takes less than half the effort envolved to clean it and care for it? Waste of a gun, waste of money, waste of time, waste of effort.

Not my gun, not my money and unless it is yours I wouldn't worry much about it. I must admit I normally find them mildly amusing just to see what someone is doing to one this time. Don't see to much that hasn't been done numerous times though.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

What line of work is that? I didn't get that one at all, sorry.

[AviatorDave]

One man's tool is another man's pride and joy.

Ok, so that sounds bad. But the same thing happens to all kinds of things- I'm sure Ferrari and Porsche run crash tests on their cars. Some people pay $30,000 or more for a pickup, and destroy it as a work truck in a year or two. People race (and crash) Vettes, Porsches, Ferraris, etc. all in the name of fun. Irreplaceable WWII fighter planes are crashed and destroyed all the time in air races or just simple routine flights.

These are off the shelf, mass produced handguns were talking about here, there's nothing rare about them. I think it's more of a tragedy to think of all the MP5s that get sliced to pieces for demill, but at least some of them get recycled into new ones.

[AviatorDave]

What line of work is that? I didn't get that one at all, sorry.

Assassin, robbery, etc. Any job where you wouldn't want your fingerprints left behind, I'm guessing.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Oh well if thats what he was implying then thats simply not the case. I am a legit civiallian who fully abides by the law. All my handguns are registered to me and the police already have my fingerprints on file for my CCW permit. I only whipe the fingerprints off to prevent any type of surface corrosion.

Thanks for the smart ass remark anyway, thats always appreciated and makes you look very mature.

[Scooter]

Apparently you lack a sense of humor.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Well I thought you were taking a stab at me. But if it's all in good fun then I'm sorry for taking it wrong. I enjoy this forum and it's members. :)

If your going to break my balls for a laugh you could at least use smilies. :)

[H&K 4 LIFE]

If what you guys are saying is true, that this guy didn't abuse the USP behind the owners back, then I am much less aggravated with his actions. That was the main reason why I found this so offensive.

Still, torturing a firearm is something I will still never fully understand the reasoning for.

[sfguard]

While I don't understand it and would not do it to one of mine it is amusing to watch from time to time depending. Like I said though it is normally the same old getting boring stuff. My gun shoots underwater, etc. etc. If I ever have the need and am within 5 feet of the target I will give them a call for the amasing underwater shooting pistol.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

I still don't know why people continue to fire their guns underwater. Like you said it's the same ideas over and over.

[H.Koch]

If your going to break my balls for a laugh you could at least use smilies. :)

I have never seen Scooter use any smilies nor have I seen him smile!
mmmh, I wonder if you have any german blood flowing in your veins, Scooter!?

anyway here is my german smile... http://forum.dvbtechnics.info/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif


Schönen Abend noch,

H.Koch

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Yeah I couldn't tell if it was friendly ribbing or he was really trying to insult me. Some smilies always make the mood a little lighter. :)

Have a good one everybody!

[loupav]

I don't find torture tests to have any scientific merit. But some are fun to watch/read.

Oh well.

[MaverickH1]

I like the torture tests. Someday, I will be doing torture tests with a USP or USP compact. They won't be as extreme as what was done there, though.

It will probably be completely video done, too. But $$ might limit the whole project.

[DevDog]

These pistols that the article mention are combat pistols. They are not intended to be pretty. If you have to know, then you have to know if your pistol can handle extreme combat environments. I sometimes run my shooters without any lube to find out when and where (round count) a stoppage may occur. Hope this helps.

[Sun_Tzu]

To me there is nothing worse than these "torture test" people. They take these beautiful high-quality, not to mention expensive, firearms and put them through absolute hell. While durability is a worthwhile thing to test, I believe it should be done by regular intended use and not extreme torture just for the hell of it. In my opinion, the only people who have a right to torture test a gun is the military, for they are the only ones who would ever encounter such extreme conditions and circumstances. The regular armed citizen has enough time to clean and care for his weapon properly, plus that I would never trust my life to something I intentionally tried to break.

This is just uncalled for and is simply appalling. :(
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item

This person soaked his Glock in salt water among other things and completely corrodid most of the parts. The pictures of the rusted internals made me want to slap this guy in the mouth. He also shot it with a .22 and dragged it behind a truck. People like this should not be allowed to own such fine firearms and should probably have there permit revoked for doing downright dangerous things. Why did he do it? Just to see if it would break. How pathetic.

Now if you really hate Glocks you may not care or even say "good", but thats not all. Furthurmore, this ignorant person took someone elses USP and poured sand in it too! He claims it was a "customer" (I assume this guy owns a shop, which frightens me to no end) asking to put 500rnds through a recently repaired USP compact to test it's function. No where does he state that he was given permission by the owner to pour sand in his gun, nevertheless he did so. If I got my pistol back from this guy's shop and there was tons of scratches and wear marks from pouring sand in it there would be hell to pay. If I saw a single scratch that wasn't there when I dropped it off he would be buying me a new pistol thats for god damn sure,, mainly because there is no way I could trust it after some wacko had his way with it. This all sounds like some jerk-offs fantasy because whos paying for the 500rnds hes supposedly going to fire, him or the customer? Hmmmmm, last time I checked ammunition wasn't free. Also, why couldn't the "customer" test his own pistol? This makes very little sense in addition to the unecessary abuse of both pistols.

In addition, most of these un-intelligent people fire the tortured gun by holding it. Virtually none of them use a ransom rest and fire it remotely. So not only are they destroying their guns for no reason but they put themselves in danger of them failing catastophically.

Please, STOP THE TORTURE! This is mindless and meaningless destruction of perfectly good working firearms. Be kind to your guns, clean and maintain them well. If you treat it well, it will repay you tenfold if you ever need to defend your life.

Why are you getting your panties all bunched up over this. This is a brilliant test to show the absolute phenomenal resilience of Glock. If I were the president of Glock I'd market this and give him and his family members free Glocks, as well as free ammo for life. "To hell and back reliability" Should be Glocks slogan, not Sig's. A Sig could NEVER have stood up to that. It's a damn shame too seeing how we all pay twice, and in some cases thrice as much for a pistol (and I think for many just because of the name) that can't even hold a candle to what these pistols have achieved. And this isn't just his Glock, it's Glock period. Before the flamers say "well that was an extreme test, that isn't comparable of normal circumstances", yes I know it was extreme, but for "Military/Special op's" testing it needs to be, and it's good to know that one can have piece of mind that it's almost guaranteed that his side arm will function flawlessly every time.

[FIX BAYONETS!®]

I love torture tests. It re-solidifies my trust in my weapons.

Now if they can do one for the P2000, P2000SK, HK45, P30, P7, MP5, USP Tactical, G36, etc...

And I do agree, that guns are weapons and should take a beating!

[cjennings]

Sun_Tzu

I could not agree more with most of what you say, however that said I see glock fail about 2 or 3 times a week out here. The internal system is not as robust in my opion as the HK or others for that matter and as a result they come out looking great in these tests. Dont get me wrong, the Glock is an incredible platform and I would wear one if it was what I was issued without hesitation. I would say it might actually take a little more maintance to keep firing when it gets really dirty, the insides of that striker action are prone to lock up if you ever get it dirty in there. The challenge is of course getting it dirty in there lol.

Cheers All.

I think I am going to go shoot that Glock 17 now..

[H&K 4 LIFE]

I posted this to see what peoples thoughts were on this, and I appreciate all of them. Many of you have made some excellent points. Thinking about it now, if a person had the money and time to do this, and it was not a gun they would carry (a gun used exclusively for test purposes) then more power to them, although I still consider it a waste. But none of you could honestly say that you would carry this weapon for SD after all the abuse it's seen.

[MaverickH1]

I posted this to see what peoples thoughts were on this, and I appreciate all of them. Many of you have made some excellent points. Thinking about it now, if a person had the money and time to do this, and it was not a gun they would carry (a gun used exclusively for test purposes) then more power to them, although I still consider it a waste. But none of you could honestly say that you would carry this weapon for SD after all the abuse it's seen.

If it still functioned properly, I wouldn't hesitate to.

[TexasJim]

" Momma always said, Stupid is, as stupid does." Forest Gump:410: :300000000:lol TJ

[newgunner]

I'm actually very surprised at how good it looked after all the abuse, it just looks worn, that's it. But as for the USP not firing after being dunked in a bucket of sand - that doesn't really bother me. I'm sure my P7 can do the same thing since it doesn't have an exposed hammer, but it's not a $400 Block either, so there's no way I'm doing that to it.

Can anyone explain to me how a exposed hammer would be less reliable in sand than say striker fired weapons?

[MaverickH1]

Can anyone explain to me how a exposed hammer would be less reliable in sand than say striker fired weapons?

Well, you can think of a striker fired like a completely internal mechanism. And sand has to do some tricks to get to it. But an external hammer is a different story. If you poured sand onto the top of the firing pin, the HK probably wouldn't fire. That's the claim.

[ydaho]

People who really pamper thier guns don't usually shoot them much.

And if finger prints worry you, then you probably shouldn't ever pull the trigger on a live round; because metal moves violently in your hand every time that happens... something could go wrong - like a slug might go down range and hit something... that is dangerous. I cant belive people do such dangerous things like pulling the trigger on a live round.

Why do you seek to control people and thier actions?

I will go a few thousand rounds without cleaning my guns to see if they can handle being dirty. If they cant run dirty, I don't like them. So far, only my 1911's have failed while my baby eagles, berettas, Browning HP's, and HK's have done fine. I eventually sold both 1911's. Guns are meant to be shot, and shot hard and fast.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

I shoot my guns quite often, but I don't abuse them. A gun that has a nice finish and is maintained well will fetch a higher price if you ever decide to sell it. So keeping it looking good and working right has more than one benefit.

I don't seek to control anyones actions, that is pointless. He can do whatever he pleases with his Glock, but in my first post I was under the impression he was torture testing other peoples guns without their consent and I didn't think that was something a decent person would do, espescially if he owned a shop. I simply wanted the opinion of other gun owners on the topic of torture tests.

[Tecumseh]

He claims the work done on the USPc was done by HK and that the customer bought it to him to put 500rnds. through it. If what you are saying is true of all gunsmiths then HK must have fired it upon completion of the repairs. Meaning that it was ready for the customer to put however many rounds through it that he chose. I see no reason why he then took it to this guy to shoot and it baffles me more that he would consent to such abuse.

While HKs and Glocks may not be "expensive" per say, I know I personally don't have $1000 to throw away by destroying my HK. Not even $500 to waste doing the same to my Glock, and I know many people probably feel the same way. And why destroy it for that matter when that gun will run for the rest of your life if you just took care of it properly.

Your assuming that because you feel this way many other people do. I enjoy the test. Its his gun and the customer was cool with it, what is your problem? Fine, you dont like it. Wonderful. Don't read it. Its really that simple.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Thats just it, I didn't realize the customer was okay with him torture testing the USP.

[JLStorm]

Greg Bell would get awfully board without his torture tests lol :71:

[dtibbals]

Well its funny to see the guy doing all this to a gun but then make the comment he wouldn't carry a USP to protect his life. I guess running to the mall and dinner and such you might have to drop your gun from a plane, shoot a 22 at it, put it in mud etc. It has a bias to Glock which is fine, its normal for a person who loves one brand or another to have so much loyality to the brand that everything else sucks, it happens here as well. I own Glock's and they have been good weapons to me however so have the HK's.

Every IDPA match I have shot I have seen Glock's malfunction, so they are not perfect. Some of it is because of peoples reloads and others are just poorly maintained guns. I tend to clean my USP 9mm I shoot for IDPA about twice a year. It gets very very dirty but I put a little fresh lube on the slide points on the frame and go to town when I shoot it. I am not trying to prove how long it will go with out cleaning, I know it will go much longer then I need it to, its more of taking the time to do it. The military has proven the USP is a good weapon based on MK23.

I do not own a gun that I would question every using to protect my life. All of my autos with the exception of 22 cal are all HK and a couple of Glocks.

Its funny how this guy abuses his gun but has had no problems however shooting IDPA last weekend I was talking to an IL State Trooper who was shooting an M&P and said he only has shot it a few times but really likes it. He said he wishes he didn't have to carry a Glock 22. He said he has witnessed several of them blowing apart on fellow troopers who where shooting standard duty ammo. He does not trust that gun but is forced to carry it. Other officers will swear by their Glock. It all comes down to what issues the department has had. One of my good friends is a Secret Service agent and is on a protection detail and carries a Glock 22. He has not had problems with it but friends of his have. It is well documented that Glock has had some issues esp in the 40cal which is the most popular for police carry. Everything from parts breaking to guns not cycling if they have tac lights on them. In fact Glock went and fixed thousands of FBI guns that would not work, other departments LAPD being one of them took Glock off the approved list for awhile because of Glock 21's failing to work for officers. So not even Glock has as perfect a reputation that Glock lovers like to claim.

Bottom line is I take care of my guns and know they are designed to function in conditions beyond what I will ever need them to.

Dave

[dtibbals]

Oh and for the record my HK's have never had an issue while shooting IDPA or at any time for that matter. I also see several guys shoot HK's at the shoots I go to and have never seen or heard of any of them having issues like I have seen with teh Glocks, not bashing them at all but its a fact.

I meant to meantion that I bought a XD 45 service model and shot over 1300 rounds with it to see if it would continue to function and it did, it worked perfectly! In fact I like an idiot sold it and bought a Glock 21SF and have to say I did not like the 21SF and people who shot it didn't like it better, we all liked the XD better.

[N6ATF]

. . . of Arms (PETA)! ;)

+1 :rolleyes:

[BunGhoLeo]

As a side note - a friend who is a pilot has agreed to take me up this spring and let me throw it out the window of his plane! We'll decide on the height later, but the slowest he said he can go is 65mph.

And when the FFA hears about this both of those guys will get fined, possibly go to prison, and the pilot will never fly again. Dropping sheet out of ANY aircraft, even a hot air ballon, is a major offence. I only know this because when i was younger i went up in a hot air ballon and joked about dropping a brick. I was informed of another hot air ballon flyer that had been bent over by the FFA for dropping eggs.

As far as him torture testing his gun, it's his gun, the only problem i have with his tests as others have mentioned, is his lack of safty. He should not be holding the weapon, and everyone should be behind a blast shield. He's not setting a very good example.

[AviatorDave]

And when the FFA hears about this both of those guys will get fined, possibly go to prison, and the pilot will never fly again. Dropping sheet out of ANY aircraft, even a hot air ballon, is a major offence. I only know this because when i was younger i went up in a hot air ballon and joked about dropping a brick. I was informed of another hot air ballon flyer that had been bent over by the FFA for dropping eggs.



Sorry, but you know not of which you speak. :)

Well, I'm not sure if the Future Farmers of America will be concerned or not, but the Federal Aviation Administration won't have a problem with it.

"No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property." FAR/AIM 91.15

[BunGhoLeo]

Ok, in fairness, it was 20 years ago that i took that ballon ride. :670:

[AviatorDave]

Ok, in fairness, it was 20 years ago that i took that ballon ride. :670:

Nope, wasn't illegal then either. FAR 91.15 was effective 9/30/1963.

[BunGhoLeo]

LOL, well, maybe part of the story had been left out to me. Like he was aiming those eggs at people? c'mon, cut me some slack! :41:

[AviatorDave]

LOL, well, maybe part of the story had been left out to me. Like he was aiming those eggs at people? c'mon, cut me some slack! :41:

Hahah. As in Pirates of the Caribbean - what someone was telling you weren't really rules, they were more like "guidelines". :)

It all depends on where you are. Eggs over an open field = legal. Eggs onto a farmer in that field = illegal.

After we learned that rule, we started dropping all kinds of things out of planes onto my friend's property for "bombing practice". Old computer monitors were my favorite.

[BunGhoLeo]

Well then, knowing that i can finnaly brag about my dropping experance! I droped a 16lb bowling ball from my RC helicopter a few years ago into a field from about 200ft up, oh what an impact crater it left! :)

[eric10mm]

Repeat after me, "IT'S JUST A TOOL"Granted, an expensive one, but it is just a tool.

You should've seen the looks of horror I got one year at an annual "shotgun festival" held at Chapman Academy in MO. One stage required transitioning to your sidearm after your shotty malfunctioned. This was accomplished by simply allowing you to only load X number of shells but having X+more targets to address. They provided a padded picnic table to drop your shotty onto.

When my turn came up I stepped as far forward into the shooting box as possible and began. Once my shotty (Mossy 590 BTW) "malfed" I immediately threw it to the ground and drew my sidearm. The ground consisted of large, coarse white gravel with years of spent brass mixed in as well.

When the stage was over and I went to retrieve my shotty I got scolded by the "safe princess" crowd (you know, Benellis, Scattergun Tech, Vang Comp, etc) for throwing my shotgun to the ground and "leaving a weapon behind". But I thought the scenario was that it malfed? Why on earth would I want to continue carrying a malfed weapon around with me during an ongoing gunfight???

"What? It's just a tool" was the jist of my response. It did receive a few more scars to its finish but suffered no fatal damage, as I anticipated.

Most of my guns get similar treatment. If they can't survive the occasional dropping or sliding across the pavement, then they're just too fragile for my needs.

[eric10mm]

Over on Arfcom, a guy did an extended torture test of the "cheap" Tacpoint clone of an Aimpoint scope.

He threw it downrange every chance he got, either alone or still attached to his beater AR15. He drowned it, he buried it, he froze it, etc. He beat it up in nearly every imagineable way for well over a year. It survived and still the naysayers said (in unison monotone) "It's not an Aimpoint". Eventually it did finally fail under some extreme condition, like battery failure. ;)

He replied, "Alright, give me an Aimpoint and I'll test it similarly". No takers. Nobody would ante up their expensive Aimpoint. "My gosh no, I would never do that to my expensive Aimpoint" was the usual reply.

Ahh, safequeens. You gotta love 'em. ;)