PROJECT: BREAK MY HK45

[Greg Bell]

I am officially filing this under "UFO sighting" now.

[Greg Bell]

Because of the weird circumstances and the fact that I have never seen my HK45 malfunction, I have challenged Mike Benedict to a duel...


There is an obvious solution! We need to have a contest. I will bring 2000 rounds of ammo, you bring 2000 rounds. We will shoot 2k without cleaning, etc. Whichever gun has the most malfunctions loses. The loser gives the other guy his gun. I will bring the HK45 and you bring an M&P45.

Note, I will be bringing my decrepit old jammomatic. He gets to bring any M&P 45 he wants.

[Greg Bell]

That should be an interesting close to the HK45 thread.

[99999]

Because of the weird circumstances and the fact that I have never seen my HK45 malfunction, I have challenged Mike Benedict to a duel...



Note, I will be bringing my decrepit old jammomatic. He gets to bring any M&P 45 he wants.

Let me get this straight. you are going to challenge an M&P 45 to a dual with your old faithfull HK45? Can't wait!

[Greg Bell]

Yep. My gun, that has never had a spring replaced or detail strip in its life. 2000 rounds, put up or shut up.

[harrydog]

Yep. My gun, that has never had a spring replaced or detail strip in its life. 2000 rounds, put up or shut up.
Ooooooo......this is exciting!

[DaveBee456]

Well iam happy someone is challenging the the all mighty m&p45
I just bought my first 45auto, the hk45c,
Then I read I might have wasted my money and could have got
The better pistol according to certain sites and reviews.
Even larry vickers said it's better for the money.
Please do 5000 rounds vs this m&p....
Well maybe 2000 is enough to test it

[Greg Bell]

Well, 5000 rounds might make it too costly and take too long. I want all the rounds to be fired in one session so no one is tempted to clean or switch out parts (striker, cough, cough).

Larry said it was a better value. Well, a Hyuandai is a much better value than a Porsche. Larry also said the HK45 was bombproof, and more durable than the M&P.

[Sidewinder6]

Greg- Your going to win this. Regardless of the type of pistol, I see reloaders as the weak link in reliable shooting. Bring your camera.

[Greg Bell]

He can bring any ammo he wants. I will bring Wal-mart white box. He can bring Gold Dots for all I care.

[Forgetfull]

Please update us if this test ever happens. Sounds great. Do you feel that you will be acquiring a m&p45?

[AviatorDave]

When you guys get the ground rules hammered out, like rate of fire, whether cooling periods are allowed, how about an update. And before and after pics of the pistols, and pics of any malfunctions.

And hopefully in a new thread. :D

Cool, this will be like that show Pinks on the Speed channel, but with guns!

[Greg Bell]

I figure there is about a 25% chance that neither gun malfunctions. The M&P is a much less proven weapon, with history of fleas and weird problems. The guy who bought an M&P on Mike's advice reports to me that it malfunctioned miserably when he took it to the range today. I wouldn't have made the challenge if I didn't think I would be getting an M&P. My plan is, if I win, to sell the M&P and get a tactical barrel and have H&K clean and inspect it. If I lose I get to save a hell of a lot of money and close down this thread! :)

[99999]

THIS THREAD CANNOT END IN FAILURE! YOU MUST WIN GREG!

For the love of GOD and all of us that live vicariously through you, you MUST WIN!

... where and when will this event take place, and how much for the ticket to attend? =)

[mrosamilia]

I figure there is about a 25% chance that neither gun malfunctions. The M&P is a much less proven weapon, with history of fleas and weird problems. The guy who bought an M&P on Mike's advice reports to me that it malfunctioned miserably when he took it to the range today. I wouldn't have made the challenge if I didn't think I would be getting an M&P. My plan is, if I win, to sell the M&P and get a tactical barrel and have H&K clean and inspect it. If I lose I get to save a hell of a lot of money and close down this thread! :)

As I have stated on another board this is horse puckey. The HK did not fail and this is a very good PR display, if I had my bet neither pistol would fail. I own multiple of both myself. It is a nice idea to draw to a thread though.

[AWD]

Well iam happy someone is challenging the the all mighty m&p45
I just bought my first 45auto, the hk45c,
Then I read I might have wasted my money and could have got
The better pistol according to certain sites and reviews.
Even larry vickers said it's better for the money.
Please do 5000 rounds vs this m&p....
Well maybe 2000 is enough to test it

My friend your money was not wasted on the HK45c. Don't read too much into "certain sites and reviews," heck including this site. Obviously you liked the weapon enough to buy it, and you are probably farmiliar with HK's reliability. If not you soon will be.

AWD

[Greg Bell]

9999999,

Well, as long as there is no pressure! Seriously, I strongly suspect I will win. Even with all the rounds through it the HK45 is a tank. Plus, there is no guarantee Mike will take the bet. 2000 rounds of .45 is around $600 and the M&P is somewhere around that. I wouldn't take the bet if I was him for all sorts of reasons. Obviously, I hope to win, but if not, at least I will have made it interesting.

[Sobriquet]

9999999,

Well, as long as there is no pressure! Seriously, I strongly suspect I will win. Even with all the rounds through it the HK45 is a tank. Plus, there is no guarantee Mike will take the bet. 2000 rounds of .45 is around $600 and the M&P is somewhere around that. I wouldn't take the bet if I was him for all sorts of reasons. Obviously, I hope to win, but if not, at least I will have made it interesting.

Let us know what happens, Greg. Sounds like a hoot! =) When are you guys going to hit the range? I fully expect you to report that you own an M&P.

On an unrelated note, I'm glad to see you're going to start shooting your P7 again. Can we expect a Greg Bell P7M8 thread? That's one I'd certainly enjoy reading.

[Greg Bell]

I have already started it! It is over on the P7 cult. I guess I should add a link to my signature. My goal is 15,000 rounds in one year. That is about 300 rounds a week. I already run 200 rounds a week through my G17. So, I am going to channel that ammo to the P7 and just shoot my AArms .22 kit for Glock practice.

[Sidewinder6]

Bet that Ken H would enjoy supervising this.

[kenneth]

well greg I must say that this thread has inspired me to purchase an HK45. The only problem is I got ready to buy from CDNN and they raised the prices to $895. Let me know guys of any other deals and reliable online sources. I do not have any gunstores that carry HK and they have to order everything.

[Sobriquet]

I have already started it! It is over on the P7 cult. I guess I should add a link to my signature. My goal is 15,000 rounds in one year. That is about 300 rounds a week. I already run 200 rounds a week through my G17. So, I am going to channel that ammo to the P7 and just shoot my AArms .22 kit for Glock practice.

Hopefully you'll mirror your posts on your website like you did for the "Break My" threads here on HKPRO. I refuse to visit that website. Either way, glad to hear you're shooting it again.

[Spart]

well greg I must say that this thread has inspired me to purchase an HK45. The only problem is I got ready to buy from CDNN and they raised the prices to $895. Let me know guys of any other deals and reliable online sources. I do not have any gunstores that carry HK and they have to order everything.

I just checked Bud's and they want over $1,000! What's up with that... their prices are usually pretty competitive.

[steelshooter]

I just talked to them a few days ago and they said $825 for an HK 45 and $725 for a P30L.


well greg I must say that this thread has inspired me to purchase an HK45. The only problem is I got ready to buy from CDNN and they raised the prices to $895. Let me know guys of any other deals and reliable online sources. I do not have any gunstores that carry HK and they have to order everything.

[kenneth]

I just talked to them a few days ago and they said $825 for an HK 45 and $725 for a P30L.

I know I called and was told the same thing but when I called back today and tried to place my order I was told that they went up today :( I wasn't happy. I had gotten the money together and I was all happy to join the club and then found out the NEW price.

[steelshooter]

That sucks.

[bonehead]

That sucks.

That does suck. Did the compact go up as well?

[Ian2005]

Ahh the same Greg from TheFiringLine.com.. yes I was wondering whatever happened to that P2000 you were trying to break. I guess you got a 45 and wanted to try to break that too. Heh

My P2000 is still perfect, even though I have a loose front sight.

-Ian

:44:

[Greg Bell]

I went out and shot some of the ammo Mike shot. It was some extremely light loaded 185 grain reloads. Shane had loaded it for some aluminum 1911 he had. I shot it and sure enough,the slide wouldn't lock back and I had one failure to eject. That stuff was weak. I was concerned about squibs, but had none. So, the HK45 definitely doesn't like that stuff! Of course, the interesting thing is that Shane can't get the stuff to work reliably in his new M&P45 or his HK45. When we switched to non-terrible .45 everything went fine. We blasted through 200 rounds plus of other stuff. Good fun!

[steelshooter]

Did he fess up on M4carine.net yet?

[Greg Bell]

Shane has posted some info about his troubles, but M4 has imploded. Oh, and to be clear, Shane didn't post the original stuff on M4. That was Mike. Shane is the guy I loaned the gun to test out. Just so you know, after buying both, Shane is selling his M&P. For some reason he couldn't get it to run reliably with several types of hollowpoints. He suspects it is a fluke, but since he is using it as a duty weapon, he doesn't want to risk it.

[Greg Bell]

We also had a chance to do some night shooting with the 416 and HK45...

http://gallery.me.com/timetravelfoundation#100038/FILE0046&bgcolor=black

[GARY1911A1]

I was thinking about getting a M&P45 after reading some like Larry Vicker and Mr. Hilton recommending them. Maybe your friend got a bad one or S&W is currently going for profit over quality, but I don't think I'll get one now. My HK45 is working fine thank you. See you on the Park Cit Forum Greg. Looking forward to reading your posts.

[loupav]

Every now and then a local store has MP45's on sale. I wouldn't mind picking one up for fun.

But then again I could use the money and buy $500+ worth of .45 ammo and shoot it in my HK45.

[rohardi]

But then again I could use the money and buy $500+ worth of .45 ammo and shoot it in my HK45.

+1 buy more ammo!

[HKCHEF]

Cool vid.

[Sidewinder6]

From my observations on the range, reloads are the major source of stopages. Sounds like this little loan/test was as much about trying out light reloads as it was shooting your HK.

I am running .45 ammo on my HK that my $3k Nighthawk wont chamber (JHP with sharp ogive)!

I have witnessed the M&P striker seperation that is quietly becomming a known issue so I am smiling. Every time I think about testing one of them again, I hear about this issue and besides the horrible triggers (out of the box) I cant bring myself to drink the cool aid.

BTW, I noticed Mike was silenced by your throw down.

[Greg Bell]

Nah, nothing could silence Mike! M4 went down so they could change the server. I am sure he is cooking up something!

[ralph]

Well,I recently bought a USP, And after shooting it for the first time,( I might add that I've never shot a HK pistol before) side by side with a M&P45 I have.. It was interesting..I loaded up the USP with my reloads, 115gr FMJ and a dose of unique, and some 200gr LSWC's for the M&P. With the USP, line up the sights, squeeze the trigger (V1 LEM) and it'd hit what I was aiming at, it was that easy.. When I did miss it wasn't by much.. I was shocked!! I also had no problems with the ammo, the USP just ran. With the M&P same drill, only I'd miss just about every time, The only saving grace here, is that it too, ran flawlessly with my reloads, (hitting low/left) After about 500rnds being careful to squeeze the trigger, dry firing,and wasting about 8weeks trying to learn to shoot it, I'm ready to throw in the towel.. These things are more trouble than their worth.. It'll probably be gone before the "free" mags that S&W had as a customer rebate get here. S&W probably makes the best wheelguns on the market, I own several, all of them are very accurate, S&W never could make a decent semi-auto... The M&P is going on my short list of pistols never to buy again...You get what you pay for... Now, to sell the M&P and get another HK!!

[loupav]

...You get what you pay for... Now, to sell the M&P and get another HK!!

Don't you mean, "sell the M&P and put money down on an HK?" ;)

[Sidewinder6]

I will be watching for the AAR. Im hopeful there are a lot of photos. :-))

[LaRue]

Greg,

any updates on the "shoot-off"? Have you set a date, time and rules yet? :320000:

Keep us updated.

[Greg Bell]

I don't think he is interested. To be fair, it is understandable. Even if he thinks he could win it is still about $600 in ammo.

[Speed_Freak]

Fair, shmair! I think he's using it as a cop out! Put up or shut up I say. All things considered, he could have read this monster thread and realise he's bitten off far more than he can chew! :680:

I've have a USP Compact in 40S&W and can count how many stopages it's had on one hand in the 7 years I have owned it. All of these have been down to dodge rounds, non-full resized brass, dud primers etc etc..

[jpgeorge]

But isn't it great how reliable all of our firearms are? Other than the unavoidable manufacturing issues, most HK's, Glock's and SIG's just plain work all of the time?

I usually wait until my USP9F jams before I clean it. I clean it every two years just in case. Mind you, it only sees 2000 rounds a year.

$600 worth of ammunition is a little too much for a friendly competition.

JPG

[HKCHEF]

Do you reload Greg?

[Greg Bell]

Yes I do. I have my press set up for 45 and 45/70. My 45s are all 230 grain FMJ and my 45/70s are all 405 grain HP. LIKE GOD INTENDED!!

[HKCHEF]

Yes I do. I have my press set up for 45 and 45/70. My 45s are all 230 grain FMJ and my 45/70s are all 405 grain HP. LIKE GOD INTENDED!!

How much money are you saving by reloading?

[Brian1979]

Savings are typically 50%.

A can load 100 rounds 45acp 230grn FMJ for about $15 and the stuff costs around $31 at Walmart after tax.

The thing about reloading is we always say that you dont save money you just shoot more. :) When I go the range I shoot until my hands are tired but I see the other guys bring their boxes of 50 rounds and shoot slowly. They typically shoot a few boxes at most and leave and when you think about it they are throwing about $30 down range rather quickly.

[harrydog]

What does it cost to get set up for reloading? Maybe not the top of the line, but something high quality.
Dillion Precision presses range from $350 to $1550. What is the $350 option lacking?

[HKIWB]

Can anyone comment on cheapest type of bullet (and source) for reloading for the HK45? I'm seeing some coated and FMJ priced at $0.12 to $0.15 per bullet in bulk, but I'm not sure if the coated bullets are a good choice.

Oh, and 1,700 trouble-free rounds of WWB and Blazer Brass through my HK45. I got lotsa brass, now.

[GARY1911A1]

Try here: http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ Zero is a good bullet that many USPSA Competitors use. I do if you consider the term competitor loosely .:D

[HKIWB]

Awesome, thanks Gary. I see Zero 230g FMJ at $0.11 per bullet with an order of 2,000, plus $12 shipping through the postal service if its under 68lbs. That's the best price I've seen anywhere.

[LaRue]

Greg,

Any updates?

[Greg Bell]

Not much. I have been shooting a 1911 that I got back from Novak's and an older Novak's build I traded my P7 on. I have shot a buddies HK45 a BIT. I will get back on it very soon!

[harrydog]

Greg,
I hope you get a chrono soon so you can shoot the rest of those .45 Supers. :)

[Greg Bell]

Heh, they are sitting in my closet waiting. I just looked in the box this week!

I just ordered 10,000 large pistol primers for the HK!

[MachinegunT]

This is a good thread. It took me a couple days to get through it all but was very entertaining;). I am going to have to pick one of these up! I currently have a USP 9.

T:)

[kenneth]

This is a good thread. It took me a couple days to get through it all but was very entertaining;). I am going to have to pick one of these up! I currently have a USP 9.

T:)


I have read this thread multiple times and Greg I want to thank you for doing this. Your experience and this thread has made up my mind to purchase an HK45. It should be here in a few days. Picked it up from a member here.

[reaper8154]

This is a good thread. It took me a couple days to get through it all but was very entertaining;). I am going to have to pick one of these up! I currently have a USP 9.

T:)

Holy effing avatar!!!!!

[Greg Bell]

13487

Monthly update. I have mainly been shooting my 1911s this month (after the false-start on my P7 test). I was able to shoot up a mega box of UMC, some Atlanta Arms 230grain HP and a box of American Eagle. No malfunctions.

The above round-count does not include the additional rounds that my friends have shot through the gun (including the infamous crappy reloads from a few weeks ago).

My reloading press is up and going so I should be able to pick the pace back up.

[Phalanx1]

Holy effing avatar!!!!!

I concur - This site has the best info AND the best Avatars....No Compromise!

[HKCHEF]

Where do you find the time Greg. You must be shooting at your law books. ;)

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg106/Sukimasterchef/DSC_0214.jpg

[Greg Bell]

Time I have, money is the problem. I can't afford to shoot that ammo!

[fngdweeb]

Do you have any interest in some Federal Premium Gold Medal Match 45ACP 185grain FMJ semi-wadcutter match ammo that FTF'd on my new Mark 23 at least half a dozen times out of 80 rounds? I'm assuming that they are too short. They can load forward and back at various angles in the mags and that can't be good.

[Greg Bell]

How much do you have left? I wouldn't mind trying a bit of it.

[fngdweeb]

How much do you have left? I wouldn't mind trying a bit of it.

probably more than 800 rounds. LOL maybe I should just buy a different 45...

[ridesdirt]

fngdweeb, I had the same problem with semi wad cutters not feeding in my HK45, but I ony have about 30 rounds left. 800 rounds, you need a different 45, they fed in my 1911.



break down your sign-on for us; Is it "fng dweeb"? if so, thats funny.

[Greg Bell]

You know what, I think I actually have a box of 50 that a local deputy gave me. Hmm.

[Greg Bell]

13787

Add 300 rounds of UMC to the list. BTW, my HK45 is without a doubt more accurate than either of my custom 1911s. However, I am still faster, and shoot better from a draw with my 1911s.

[reaper8154]

13787

Add 300 rounds of UMC to the list. BTW, my HK45 is without a doubt more accurate than either of my custom 1911s. However, I am still faster, and shoot better from a draw with my 1911s.


How reliable have your 1911's been?

HA! I own page 83!

[Greg Bell]

My 1911s are 100 percent reliable--with 230 grain ball or Hollowpoint. Venture to 200 grain and below and...well, it is better if we not speak of that.

No way no day is any 1911 I have ever encountered likely to be as reliable as the HK45 IMHO.

[Phalanx1]

I'll second that. My Kimber will swallow almost all 230gr and some lower but my HK45 eats anything on the table.

[johno]

I've been gone for some time. What is the round count up to Greg?

[harrydog]

I've been gone for some time. What is the round count up to Greg?

13787
He has it listed at the top of his post.

[Greg Bell]

300 rounds of EXTREMELY hot reloads. My Lord these were honkers. I loaded 230 grain Zero FMJ over 8.1 grains of Power pistol. Twas' STOUT lads.


Honestly, I probably should have stopped shooting. I will be cranking that recipe down!

I also shot 50 rounds of UMC.

[loupav]

I have to ask since I don't know. If 8.1 grains is extremely hot, than what is standard pressure?

[reaper8154]

Was it stouter than the .45 super?

[Greg Bell]

This stuff should chrono at about 900 fps...but it felt stouter. I may have been a little generous with my crimp.

It felt like .45 super to me.

[Erydius]

i got some Hornady Tap 230+P for my 45C. Rated at 950fps on the box. I have read places that hornady is conservative with its printed numbers ;)

[bshizzle]

Greg - How many mags do you have for the HK45?

Have you had to change the springs in any of them/have any of them broken?

Lastly, how many mags, in your opinion would be needed to keep the gun running for years to come?

Thanks!

[Greg Bell]

I have 4 or 5 mags. I am only running two mags to see when they will give up the ghost. Neither has in approx 7k each. Also, I loaned the mags to a friend of mine who shot them in at least one class. So they may be closer to 7500 each.

I don't think anything is needed to keep the gun running. People always bemoan the fact that it is easier to get parts for more popular guns. It reminds me of something one member said a while back..."In a world without spare parts--HK45." The gun is a tank and very unlikely to need anything. I haven't replaced anything, including the recoil spring in mine. 99.9% of my rounds have been full power ball rounds. I haven't babied the gun with light loads and even my reloads have been screamers. The HK45 is the ultimate hard-duty .45.

[NoJoy]

Greg I may have missed it in a previous post, but have you shot any DoubleTap 45 through your Hk45 yet? Mike's FMJ seems right up there with +P ammo. I really enjoy shooting DT 357sig ammo-

[RyuNoKai]

only 14k+ rounds? That's nothing. I've got a GAMO air-rifle with 152 thousand rounds of .50BMG through it. This is nothing. . . j/k I'm trying to be the competitor brand guy.

[HKCHEF]

I have 4 or 5 mags. I am only running two mags to see when they will give up the ghost. Neither has in approx 7k each. Also, I loaned the mags to a friend of mine who shot them in at least one class. So they may be closer to 7500 each.

I don't think anything is needed to keep the gun running. People always bemoan the fact that it is easier to get parts for more popular guns. It reminds me of something one member said a while back..."In a world without spare parts--HK45." The gun is a tank and very unlikely to need anything. I haven't replaced anything, including the recoil spring in mine. 99.9% of my rounds have been full power ball rounds. I haven't babied the gun with light loads and even my reloads have been screamers. The HK45 is the ultimate hard-duty .45.

What a glowing statement the HK45 is awesome.

[Greg Bell]

Add 650 more rounds to the list. Every single on of these rounds was a reload. 400 rounds were 230 grain Zero FMJ and 250 rounds were Speer 230 grain lead round nose. The gun ran without a hitch. I am loading my rounds a little hot and am probably over-crimping them given how hard it is for me too separate the case and bullet on the FMJ rounds.

My shooting has dropped off for two reasons. Firstly, ammo is scarce around here. You can find .45 ammo, but the price is absurd. Academy wanted $44 for a box of 100 rounds of FMJ. So, I have been reloading, and that is limited by the time I can devote to it. Secondly, I have been shooting my 1911s more lately. I have an Officers Model that I picked up this month for daily carry. It is fun to compare all the drama, and endless inspecting and drama that goes into shooting a 1911. With the HK45 you just shoot the damn thing. With the Colt, you shoot it. Then you watch the ejection pattern to see if you extractor is still good. Then you inspect the frame. Then you check the bushing to see if the little tab is cracking. Then you sacrafice a Chicken to John Moses. I love them both. The HK45 is like the boringly reliable BMW 4 door and the 1911 is like the old Chevelle that is usually on blocks. Is the BMW a much better car? Heck yes. Do you still enjoy revving up the Chevelle and trying to get her purring? Heck yeah!

[orfeo]

Greg, I haven't actually fired an HK45 yet, but I have fired the fullsize USP 45, and I own the USP Compact 45. . . but just in handling the HK45 several times at gunshops, I get the distinct impression that the USP is even more "tank-like" and indesructible than the HK45. Am I wrong? Being used to the USP, the HK45 almost seemed delicate in my hands. . . Your thoughts? Thanks!

[fry]

Thanks for this thread, I've enjoyed reading it.

[Greg Bell]

I think the square/boxy feel of the USP gives the extra impression of sturdiness. The HK45 really is an extended HKUSP compact with a recontoured grip and frame. I can't say the word delicate has ever come to mind in connection with the HK45.:47:

[Tyrael]

http://web.mac.com/timetravelfoundation/The_LAMP/PROJECT%3A_BREAK_MY_HK45/Entries/2008/5/18_Ran_into_a_malfunctioning_HK45_%28Not_mine%21%2 9._Oh,_and_I_named_my_pistol._8050_files/shapeimage_2.jpg
Interesting week. A buddy of mine called me up on Friday and said he was having problems with his HK45 not holding open on the last shot. I, condescendingly, said he was probably riding the slide release levers (he has long fingers). We went to the range where the gun did it on the first mag. I shot the gun, it didn’t happen. He shot it, it happened. He said (I didn’t!) that he must be limp-wristing. I said I doubted it and shot the gun loose and one handed and the slide locked back fine. He shot it the same way and it did not hold back!!!! WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD. Finally, I let him shoot my gun and he could not reproduce the malfunction. So clearly, whatever was causing the problem, it was his gun. We kept shooting mine and satisfied ourselves my gun would stay open. We went back to his--still wouldn’t hold open for him. And guess what, this time it failed to hold open for me as well. The second time I tried it with an absurdly loose hold I got the stovepipe above. We swapped mags. Problem continued. We swapped slide releases, problem continued.

I told him to send it to HK. The only other common denominator was that the gun would toss the brass back towards the shooters shoulder. My HK45 doesn’t do this. HMMMMMMMM????


Mine has done some similar things, I really need to shoot it more to see if it was just flukes/ammo/me riding the release lever. The first 50 rounds of Independence 230gr FMJ I put through it went through flawlessly . I took it home and cleaned it. Went to the range a week later and put 100 rounds of Magtech 230gr FMJ (45A) and about 2/3rds of the time the slide would not stay back on the last round. Haven't had any FTF or FTE's though. Only had one fail to chamber when I racked the slide, but I was riding the slide when that happened.

I really don't think it's me riding the lever, cause I never touch it unless I plan to release it when I put in a fresh mag (I will still keep it in mind though and check for it). I definitely will shoot it more and see what happens before I send it off or anything. Mine is a USA made HK45, so I am wondering if it may have to do w/ possibly the slide or frame being made here instead of Germany.

I wish your friend had sent his to HK to get work done on it to see if maybe mine has the same problem. If mine still does the same I will definitely send it to HK, and let you guys know what was up with it. I've spent the last two days reading this great thread and hope you have the time/money to add to it in the future!

[GARY1911A1]

Magtech is loaded lighter than Independence and that could be the problem as it might not of been cycling the slide enough for it to catch and lock back.

[Tyrael]

Magtech is loaded lighter than Independence and that could be the problem as it might not of been cycling the slide enough for it to catch and lock back.

Thanks for another avenue to check out as well.

I know the Magtech is rated at 837fps, I don't have the box of Independence anymore and I can't find anything about it's velocity either, at least not online. I was thinking about getting some WWB if I can find some, but it's rated pretty much the same as the Magtech. Is there a magic number I should stay above, or at least a brand of ammo that consistently has a heavier load?

[RyuNoKai]

greg, how's the accuracy holding up? I don't even count on my USPT, but with me learning the gun, and the barrel still "honing," things are still getting tighter after these years of service. I'm wondering if you are still on the upswing, or if it's leveled-off, declining, etc.

[30 cal slut]

greg,

sorry if this has been asked before ...

have you been shooting duty ammo too?

you need to scrape up that feed ramp. lol.

[Greg Bell]

At first it was generally only FMJ Winchester White box. Lately it has been reloads. I have about 15,000 large pistol primers and a bunch of Rainer FMJ before I buy any more 45 ammo. These last few months I have mainly been tinkering with my 1911s.

I have shot a lot of duty rounds through it at various times. To date, the ONLY ammo that was iffy was some of my buddy Shane's super light loaded 45 185 graine HP. It wouldn't cycle the slide on my HK45.

I will shoot it at some steel on Sunday.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

So what's the round count up to now, Greg? Still no parts needing changed out?

[Greg Bell]

14700 something. It is in one of my previous posts. I haven't shot it any since then. I will shoot it this weekend as I prefer testing my new reloads on it to my 1911s. I just bought some titegroup powder and I need to see how it runs. I haven't changed out any parts, nor does it appear to need anything changed. I have considered changing the recoil spring and some mag springs, but I am going to keep going. The gun actually looks fine except for the mag well, which is nicked up from my endless mag changes.

I will note one thing. I have surpassed the number of rounds I shot through my P2000 and the mags are holding up even better. My P2000 mags had loose baseplates by now. The HK45 mags are ugly, but are still holding up fine.

[Greg Bell]

14997

Hey guys,

This last weekend I shot 100 round of Lawman (230 grain) and 150 rounds of Rainer Leadsafe 230grain TMJ reloads. I am now using 4 revolving steel plates for most of my practice. Fantastic setup. On Sunday I went back out and shot my Colt 5 inch 1911. There is definitely more pronounced muzzleflip with the HK--but I can't really tell any difference in the times. Unfortunately the screen on my PACT is dead, but I would like to do some timed runs soon.

I am sure I am over 15k now, because I know of several hundred rounds that I have not been able to specifically account for. But officially, I still have 3 rounds to go.

I also ran my Advantage Arms Glock conversion on the same plates and it ran well.

As a humorous aside, I brought my M16 with Ceiner 22 conversion and a buddy brought his gemtech suppressor for his HK USP 45 and HK45. There was a guy there who brought his CLEARLY disapproving wife and their two little girls. He was shooting a little Beretta 22. About the time he was lecturing his wife on something we rip open with the full auto and the suppressed guns on the steel. Man, that woman did NOT look happy. Poor guy. :)

[Greg Bell]

15,001. I fired 4 rounds of my reloads today so I could officially pass the 15,000 mark.

Again, the real number is acutally a fair amount higher. I have loaned the gun out and shot the gun several times without being able to account for the ammo.

Lately, I have been enjoying my 1911s. I have been running my old Novak's and my Officer's model. The HK45 has more muzzle rise than my all-steel GM but probably 1/2 that of my Officer's model (aluminum). When shooting steel I can't really tell much difference between the full-size and the HK45 because the muzzle-flip is delt with during the transition. I am also more consistently accurate with my HK45. The only thing I do better with the GM is a double-tap.

What I think the HK45 needs...

1. Dump the three dot luminovas. If you are going to do luminovas only make the front sight chargable. There just isn't a great way to make sure the front sight gets charged as much as or more than the rears. I solved this with a marker.

2. Three mags.

3. A little-less overtravel. This might be remedied with the Bowie trigger-stop.

4. I wish they could get the C&L variant shipping. Enough folks decock during recoil to make this a real need. I think the perfect set-up would be a P30 style decocker with a C&L only safety.

5. Get rid of the trigger trough. It annoys a lot of folks and does nothing much. It doesn't bother me but it seems to aggravate a lot of folks with larger hands.



Adios folks! I've enjoyed being a part of this forum!

[bonehead]

Adios folks! I've enjoyed being a part of this forum!

Whaaat?? Where ya goin', Greg??

[loupav]

He's taking his 416, HK45 and a case of Corona to an uninhabited island several thousand miles away to live the rest of his life away from Obama and the errornet.

[loupav]

I'm just kidding. I really have no idea where he's going.

[RyuNoKai]

Is this supposed to be the end of the torture test?

[NiceHK]

Ya Greg, you leaving bro?

[rohardi]

No realy Gregg.... What's going on here.... Your not leaving us are you????

[harrydog]

:confused:

[99999]

The man has a fully automatic HK416. can't leave this forum until he hands that over to me, err... the good people of this forum.

=)

[Greg Bell]

Hey guys,

I am basically leaving HKPRO for personal reasons. I will continue shooting the HK45 and 416 and keep up with my progress over at M4carbine.net.

Thanks for keeping up with my project. I see we have had well over 100,000 views! Wow. I will try and think of some new stuff and take some vids over on M4Carbine.

[Sobriquet]

Hey guys,

I am basically leaving HKPRO for personal reasons. I will continue shooting the HK45 and 416 and keep up with my progress over at M4carbine.net.

Thanks for keeping up with my project. I see we have had well over 100,000 views! Wow. I will try and think of some new stuff and take some vids over on M4Carbine.

I hope none here have offended you, Greg. I'm truly sorry to see you go and will try to stop in on the other forum occasionally.

My best to you and your family.

[99999]

Same here Greg, you have been a tremendous asset to this forum and I always looked forward to your posts.

[Carrots]

Indeed, this is a shame and another loss courtesy of the recent "rubbish bolts" debacle.

[harrydog]

Indeed, this is a shame and another loss courtesy of the recent "rubbish bolts" debacle.
I haven't been around here much during the last couple of months. Can someone explain?

[Carrots]

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102503

[99999]

I just read that entire thread. understand a bit better now. took a long time to get through it all, and now I whish I hadn't.

[NiceHK]

Greg,

Really sorry to see you go. You have contributed an awesome amount. I have always enjoyed reading your posts. HKPro won't be the same without the legendary break my.... threads!

[harrydog]

Hmmm.
So this forum is now primarily for "real deal operators" and the rest of the members here are superfluous and insignificant? I never knew that. Until now.

I really enjoyed Greg's contributions here and always found him to be fair and polite. I think he was treated unfairly and don't blame him for leaving.
In my opinion this forum has in some ways gone down hill since I was a member here years ago (probably about 8 years ago).
But I'm not an operator so of course my opinion doesn't mean squat.

[AWD]

Not saying it is going to happen... but in case this thread gets real funky and locked up by the mods, I'd like to say thanks to Greg for a great thread/project. Hate to see folks leave like this.

AWD

[m98evolution]

Not saying it is going to happen... but in case this thread gets real funky and locked up by the mods, I'd like to say thanks to Greg for a great thread/project. Hate to see folks leave like this.

AWD

+1 Thanks Greg! Your input has helped a lot! Take care and aloha!

[PC7]

Greg good luck to you, I enjoyed your posts. I hate to see you go, but I understand now that I’ve read that thread. Wow, that thread is comical. The thing I like best about it is the loose use of the term “operator.” I have a brother in the US Army who is a true operator. I can’t get into details, but here is a link to one of items he wears that distinguishes him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Reactor_Operator_Badge

[NoJoy]

Sorry I have not visited HKPro for a couple of weeks. Which thread went south? It's a shame Greg will be leaving-he will be missed! I have enjoyed reading most of this thread and have learned alot. (Maybe Greg will be back after a little break.) By the way Greg if you are reading these posts, go ahead and shoot the rest of the 45 Super-enjoy the last 40 rounds!

[LCSO264]

I too am sorry to see Greg go. I have read his "Break My ......" threads since he started doing them. the amount of time, money, and effort he has put into testing the quality of these weapons is truly amazing. He is/was a tremendous asset to this forum, and will be missed. I guess I have to start reading M4carbine now?

[rohardi]

I feel like we should start a petition to get Greg back on here!!!!

[RyuNoKai]

I want to stress that I was a huge contributing factor on that thread, and in part, feel like I'm a part of you leaving; even though we were on the same side. Trust me, I don't like the ambience as much as I once did. it's a lot different here than it was in 03, when I was on as Subikkon.

You take it easy, and I'll take anything I can get! ;)

[bshizzle]

I guess I have to start reading M4carbine now?

You got that right

[link80reid]

Can't we all just get along? First Spooky, now Mr. Bell??? WTF. Both have contributed immensely to this forum. I think everyone should un bunch their panties and get over it. The members here are too valuable to be lost. What a shame. How can one depart when the HK45 has yet to break?

[LCSO264]

Can't we all just get along? First Spooky, now Mr. Bell??? WTF. Both have contributed immensely to this forum. I think everyone should un bunch their panties and get over it. The members here are too valuable to be lost. What a shame. How can one depart when the HK45 has yet to break?

it won't break, it's made with magic.....hah hah... I agree, the thread re: the 416 got way out of hand, and I don't really know why/how.......

[magnumzer0]

Too bad an HKPRO ICON like you Mr. Greg Bell signed off...thanks for the inputs...really appreciates all...but hope you'll be back soon...thanks again.

[mw1311]

2.5 hours of reading this thread from the beginning and I'm only at post 423....good thread tho.

[Chui]

13787

Add 300 rounds of UMC to the list. BTW, my HK45 is without a doubt more accurate than either of my custom 1911s. However, I am still faster, and shoot better from a draw with my 1911s.
I find my HK45s to equal the accuracy of my semi-custom 1911s, too.

I am also simultaneously faster and more accurate with my 1911s which is why it's my main carry gun.

As far as I'm concerned nothing shoots as nicely as a 1911.

[EVS]

Thanks for doing this for us but why would you spend that much money and torture the gun when you don't have to? I'm sure somebody else has asked this right? haha

[dobe]

You would hope so for the price you paid! ;)

HK45's cost as much as Colt XSE's. I like and have 'em both. The HK45 is a very accurate handgun, but I too shoot the 1911 better.

[dobe]

The XSE's a great gun, but I would't say it's a "semi-custom".

You are right. I miss read the above post.

My HK 45 will shoot as tight as any of my Kimbers or Colt, but realistically, not as well as my Ed Brown. But that is what one would expect. And I'm not about to sell off the HK 45.

[AviatorDave]

This topic has been a great read and has answered a few of my questions throughout. Great job Greg and congrats on the young one.

Sadly, Greg doesn't post here any more. I don't know if he reads or not, but his last post was 5/11.

[mondovino]

Its time to bury this blog; Greg is not posting anymore, and the topic has drifted and seems lost. I tried to find whether Greg broke his HK45, and I couldn't find the answer.

[AviatorDave]

Its time to bury this blog; Greg is not posting anymore, and the topic has drifted and seems lost. I tried to find whether Greg broke his HK45, and I couldn't find the answer.

Ya know what, you're right. It was never broken, and he's not active anymore to even update the thread. It's a shame really. Maybe one day he'll come back and give us some updates.

Until then, gonna close the book on this one.