Anyone DISLIKE the P7?

[SauceNJ]

Does anyone out there dislike the P7? There's one in really nice shape at my local FFL for about $700. I just bought a 9mm usp compact so I really dont NEED another small 9mm. However, it's calling me. It is a bit pricey for an impulse buy though (which is why I didn't take it today). Basically, if I'm not a collector, and plan to shoot the crap out of this gun (therefore it's gonna get ugly really quick), and I don't carry a handgun, do I need it? I know a lot of you think this thing is like the holy grail of handguns but does anyone out there dislike it?

[Shakey]

I dislike them so much I own a P7PSP and a P7M8. While I don't abuse any weapon I own I don't baby them. They're great firearms and were meant to be used. I frequently carry my PSP. What's not to like about the P7? Nothing else like it.

[Mark71]

The only thing that I dislike about them is that they are expensive (I wish I could own more then a couple ;)) and tend to get hot after 5-6 fast mag reloads (I wear gloves if shooting for a long time and don't have a problem). Other then that the P7 is close to a perfect handgun. Buy it and enjoy one of the finest handguns ever made.

[Shakey]

Have you checked out the P7 Video post? Pretty informative if you're even considering a purchase. I've thought about getting a third P7 I dislike them so much. ;-) As for the heat issue, I wear shooters gloves and its never really caused me any discomfort. Then again I tend not to shoot five , or more magazines in rapid succession.

[cueist]

It's a great shooting gun that you'll have fun taking to the range. I have so far owned 8 different P7's.

[avidone]

I just posted this to another forum:

I think the P7 is one of the finest handguns ever made.

Outstanding features that many are unaware of:

1. Cold hammer forged polygonal barrel. Highly accurate fixed design.

2. Gas operated system to keep the slide locked forward until the bullet exits the barrel.

3. Super safe, intuitive, and fast squeeze cocking design. Truly safe carry with a round in the chamber.

4. 110 deg. grip angle. Natural for point shooting.

5. Positive ejection design will eject a casing with the extractor missing!

6. Uniform SA trigger pull for all shots.

7. Has very low bore axis because of it's design. This reduces upward muzzle travel.

I like most of the USP line very much as well.

[SudS]

The people who generally don't care for the P7 tend to be Colt 1911 fans. Not even getting into the whole 9 vs 45 thing, the function of the gun is so different than what they are use to...they don't like change.

[P7_Id10T]

What I really dislike about the P7 is that I sold my P7M13. Hence my handle.

I had a tactical .45 also, while I really liked it, I loved the P7.

[faris13]

For some reason I couldn't shoot my P7M8 that well...I think I'm the only person in the world with that problem :( . Like an idiot I got rid of it but now am getting the itch to try it out again. Outside of that and the heat issue I loved the gun.

[Landpimp]

hated my 1st M8 so much the next day I bought another(turns out consecutive serial #'s) then a pair of M13's, then a pair of P7's and lastly a Jube...:D

[BanditSRT8]

I'm not a P7 PSP fan at all, but dearly love the P7M8's.

IMO you need the heatshield that is missing on the PSP and I prefer the larger trigger guard on the M8. I also MUCH prefer the ambi mag release of the M8 over the heel mag release on the PSP.

[Solidgun]

I hate my P7.....it makes all my other handguns feel ancient.....even though it is the oldest gun I own. I just wish it could hold 10 rounds (I will take 9+1) but its accuracy covers for that extra round wasted from DA guns.
I hate the fact that it will be my primary carry gun and I hate the fact that I just spent $100+ for a fine leather holster on it and hate all the mags I bought which are built like rocks compared to any other mags I own. It doesn't rattle like my other guns and I hate the fact that it makes me instinctively reach for the bottom of the gun to release the mags and makes me think twice about how to release the mags on my other guns.
I hate the fact that I want another one and know that my wife will not like me buying another gun that i hate.

[diesel1959]

I started with an M8 and the sickness grew to two M13's and an M10 . . .

Now I just need to find a nice P7 turn-in . . .

[bhale187]

never had a chance to shot one, but I think they are an ugly little thing *taking cover now* :26000000:

[Scooter]

Anyone who dislikes the P7 should be shot with one.

[BanditSRT8]

never had a chance to shot one, but I think they are an ugly little thing *taking cover now* :26000000:

That's the only type of person who doesn't like the P7... those who have never shot one.

Because once you do... you're instantly won over.

[BreakerDave]

Anyone who dislikes the P7 should be shot with one.

That's absurd... Like all firearms, the P7 has its pros and cons. I went shooting with several friends for the New Year. Two of the guys are very skilled shooters and they disliked the gun. They thought the recoil was a little sharper than they were accustomed to in a 9mm. A third person who was a newer shooter hated the squeeze cock mechanism and disliked the recoil so much that he quit trying it after three shots.

Personally, I have found the gun to be very accurate and I like the SA trigger. However, I can understand why some people don't like the squeeze cock mechanism or don't like that the gun seems to be one of the dirtier operating guns with its gas piston and cylinder. I have also met people who have issues with the P7M8's mag release button snagging on clothing and prefer the PSP variant. -It's just one of those things where if you put a product on the market, there will be those who like it and those who do not. Coming to a brand specific forum and asking members for their opinion will likely produce a biased result.

[Asynchronism]

I don't get all geeked up on them like most... I've looked at a few, but I'd rather spend that money on an HK45.

[BanditSRT8]

That's absurd... Like all firearms, the P7 has its pros and cons. I went shooting with several friends for the New Year. Two of the guys are very skilled shooters and they disliked the gun. They thought the recoil was a little sharper than they were accustomed to in a 9mm. A third person who was a newer shooter hated the squeeze cock mechanism and disliked the recoil so much that he quit trying it after three shots.



Really? That's a new one to me actually... the only 9mm I have ever fired that had any less felt recoil, or muzzle jump was the Walther P5 Compact. Aside from that though, the P7 has been noted by just about everyone, myslef included, to have the least amount of rise or recoil.

[Peter Venkman]

I never could get used to it.

Great engineering and design. I'm glad I satisfied my curiosity; shot it at the range for a couple years. I finally just accepted the fact I don't like squeeze cockers. I sold it and don't regret it.

I switched to USP and now P30.

Try it before you buy it. For you the Emperor may not be wearing such great clothes after all.

[sfguard]

Anyone who dislikes the P7 should be shot with one.


Fire away I guess. I absolutely hated my P7M8. sold it and trash talked the P7s for a long time. I then ended up buying a P7psp which I still was only kinda partial to until I had some Nill grips put on it. I like it alot better now but it is still a far cry from being one of my favorites.

[BreakerDave]

the P7 has been noted by just about everyone, myslef included, to have the least amount of rise or recoil.

I'm not talking about muzzle rise. I'm talking about perceived recoil. Perhaps it was because their hands were not in the proper position since they were dealing with the squeeze cock mechanism (a feature all three did not like), but again we are dealing with perception. -For what it's worth, I prefer a Hi-Power when we are talking about 9mm pistols and their handling characteristics.

Honestly, I'm used to shooting pistols chambered in .45 ACP so I didn't know what they were complaining about at first. I then fired a couple of different 9mm pistols for a quick comparison and could see that while muzzle rise was negligible you could perceive the recoil being sharper. If I had to guess, I'd say the force has to go somewhere so if it's not in the muzzle flip it's going to go back to the shooter.

However back to topic, my point was that I have encountered shooters at both ends of the spectrum, experienced and novice (and it's not just those three) who dislike the P7 for varying reasons. That does not mean anything more than it did not meet with their preferences. As with other guns, I'd definitely recommend trying before buying because what works for you may not work for me and vice versa...

[fiddletown]

The people who generally don't care for the P7 tend to be ...1911 fans. ...
Not necessarily. I'm a big 1911 fan. I have a bunch of high end 1911s, including Les Baers and Nighthawks, have shot 1911s in IPSC and have trained extensively with them (including a class at Gunsite). After wanting one for a long time. I finally got a P7M8 about 6 months ago and now have three. I have been shooting it extensively and find it to be an excellent gun. And I know a number of folks over on the M1911,org forum who also think very highly of the P7.

For some reason I couldn't shoot my P7M8 that well...I think I'm the only person in the world with that problem ...
Nope. When I got my first P7M8 and started do my usual drills from a holster, I was pretty disappointed with my performance. I didn't shoot it nearly as well as my 1911s, but then I've probably shot 100,000 rounds through various 1911s over the years. So I started working at the P7, and my performance improved considerably, to the point that I'd feel comfortable carrying one.

[SauceNJ]

OK - OK - OK - OK - OK - so the answer to my question is that most of you love it - nuff said. Perhaps I'll go pick it up tomorrow...

[totalabuse]

OK - OK - OK - OK - OK - so the answer to my question is that most of you love it - nuff said. Perhaps I'll go pick it up tomorrow...


That is the correct answer. Enjoy.

[TR]

I dislike them so much I own a P7PSP and a P7M8. While I don't abuse any weapon I own I don't baby them. They're great firearms and were meant to be used. I frequently carry my PSP. What's not to like about the P7? Nothing else like it.

I have not yet read the rest of the responses, but: RIGHT ON, Shakey!


Of course I am very biased since the P7PSP I had one me saved my life.

[SudS]

Not necessarily. I'm a big 1911 fan. I have a bunch of high end 1911s, including Les Baers and Nighthawks, have shot 1911s in IPSC and have trained extensively with them (including a class at Gunsite). After wanting one for a long time. I finally got a P7M8 about 6 months ago and now have three. I have been shooting it extensively and find it to be an excellent gun. And I know a number of folks over on the M1911,org forum who also think very highly of the P7.



That's why I said "generally." That's been my observations from 1911 friends, having worked in a gun shop for 10 years, and people posting on internet gun boards going back to when Al Gore invented the internet. :20000000:

[H&K 4 LIFE]

If you do dislike the P7M8, then there is something seriously wrong with you. ;)

[sfguard]

If you do dislike the P7M8, then there is something seriously wrong with you. ;)


You say that like it is the first time I have ever heard it

[tacticaledgeusa]

Does anyone out there dislike the P7?

No.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

If you do dislike the P7M8, then there is something seriously wrong with you. ;)

You say that like it is the first time I have ever heard it

Thats okay, I like both Glocks and HKs, theres something seriously wrong with me too. :)

[Tactical Shooter]

Sorry, don't like P7s.
Serious question, what would happen in a critical situation if you did not have a good grip on the gun as to activate the squeeze cocker? If someone grabs my pistol and I've got the ability to hit the trigger but not squeeze the grip? Remote possibility I know but seems like a flaw rather than a bonus.

[softmentor]

I have never liked safeties that are part of the grip in any configuration and I especially don't like the way the grip changes as you grip it with the P7. I know, that's sacralage around here, but... that's why they make different models.
love my HK model 4 though.

[P7M8isEnough]

Sorry, don't like P7s.
If someone grabs my pistol and I've got the ability to hit the trigger but not squeeze the grip? Remote possibility I know but seems like a flaw rather than a bonus.

A more likely scenario is one where someone else gets your gun....and if unfamiliar with the P7 (as most people are)...it might give you a chance to get it back before they figure out how to fire it....that was one of the main selling points for me....and it's so darn classy looking....

http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/album/00000364/IMG_0001_2.jpg