DA/SA vs. LEM

[ES13Raven]

What is the forum's verdict on the LEM trigger for the USP?

I'm thinking about upgrading - if it is worth doing. ;)

[B Wood]

My USP Compacts all have the LEM trigger. Love it

[zirkdog]

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

Me personaly, I like it on my USP 45. At times I also like my basic DA/SA on my USPc. Find someone at the range with one and give it a whirl. Do you value/need an external safety/decocker?? Do you like simple consistnet trigger pulls?? I'm not sure if there is a right or wrong answer, all just a matter of personal choice.

[Gerber]

Getting a USPc w/LEM. I originally wanted the variant 5 with the LEM trigger set up. I just prefer a consistent pull and not half to worry about cocked and locked, etc., etc. Besides, I also learned that, unless I get the trigger reduced to 4, 5 or 6 lbs, then I may have the safety installed and that will be as close as I get to the standard set up. Also, from this point forward, all future HKs I purchase will have the LEM, P2000, HK45c, another USPc.

[murfdog]

I use to shot 1911's now I own a USPc .40 SS V1 I like the decocker and I also like to carry cocked and locked.That just comes from my carrying a 1911

[Mark71]

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

Me personaly, I like it on my USP 45. At times I also like my basic DA/SA on my USPc. Find someone at the range with one and give it a whirl. Do you value/need an external safety/decocker?? Do you like simple consistnet trigger pulls?? I'm not sure if there is a right or wrong answer, all just a matter of personal choice.


+1

If you can try before you buy. I had a few LEM models but sold them all as I prefer DA/SA. The LEM is one of the better double actions triggers available but I prefer the DA/SA trigger as it works best for me.

[Kost]

Colt Combat Commander is carried in Condition 1 - when the USPC .45 is carried, its also in Condition 1.

*Voted No*

[sniper1]

Different Strokes for Different Folks.


+1

I recently had a chance to play with the LEM and thought it was very smooth (previous experience with dao was a kel-tec "puke"), but I still prefer sa/da.

[p2000lefty]

LEM model is DAO? I have a P2000v3 and find that the double action trigger pull is long and hard. It really affects my first shot accuracy and speed. I've been practicing drawing and cocking the gun in one smooth motion to eliminate the double action. I may consider a lighter trigger pull on a DAO.

[zirkdog]

LEM is not DAO, nor is it SAO. It's sorta in between. A more experienced memebr may be able to put it inwords better than I can. It has a very light take up, then breaks like a SA. The hammer is not cocked like a SA though.

About as clear as mud??

[BytorJr]

LEM conversions going on all mine. One is there already, that was enough to sell me. I'll even admit, SA is probably better than LEM, but at the expense of either a strong DA or forgetting to flip safety off in a surprise heated situation.

[Reoze]

LEM is not DAO, nor is it SAO. It's sorta in between. A more experienced memebr may be able to put it inwords better than I can. It has a very light take up, then breaks like a SA. The hammer is not cocked like a SA though.

About as clear as mud??

From what I understand LEM retains the tension in the hammer spring while keeping the hammer itself disengaged, so you have a long pull but it's much lighter than a standard double action.

I myself still prefer V1. I have small hands and getting my fingers around the trigger in DA/LEM is a pain which also degrades my accuracy.

[p2000lefty]

From what I understand LEM retains the tension in the hammer spring while keeping the hammer itself disengaged, so you have a long pull but it's much lighter than a standard double action.

I myself still prefer V1. I have small hands and getting my fingers around the trigger in DA/LEM is a pain which also degrades my accuracy.

Thanks for the explanations! I'll have to try to hold all these options at the range/store.

[sfguard]

I like both configurations honestly.

[faris13]

I have converted all my HK's over to the "light" LEM

[H&K 4 LIFE]

I could not shoot the LEM on the P2000 worth a damn. I am too used to traditional DA/SA and for me the LEM is too different for me to shoot accuratley. That being said, it is one of the better DAO style triggers out there, I still like it better than SIG's DAK.

Whether or not to have the LEM trigger is like which model HK you like best, all personal preference.

[wtpracing327]

Hi all,
Now I've heard a lot about both DA/SA and LEM triggers. Ive shot a DAO gun (Beretta 92d) and lots of single-actions. I personally didn't like the DAO, but is a LEM better? Which one would you choose?

[Gerber]

Your in a luck b/c here's a poll and discussion that was started last week

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73211

[Tecumseh]

I prefer LEM for carry guns.

[Sertory]

I converted my DA/SA USPc to LEM and a week later changed it back. The LEM system is pre-tensioned (after chambering a round) and essentially the same as carrying a cocked handgun with a simulated double action pull instead of a manual safety. I would take a true DAO over LEM any day, and choose DA/SA as a first choice.

[Sertory]

Is the LEM trigger mod worth it?
I voted NO.
I converted my DA/SA USPc to LEM and a week later changed it back. The LEM system is pre-tensioned (after chambering a round) and essentially the same as carrying a cocked handgun with a simulated double action pull instead of a manual safety. I would take a true DAO over LEM any day, and choose DA/SA as a first choice.

[spyder1439]

ultimately its whatever you are more comfortable shooting. I prefer DA/SA because i feel with the single action i can get off faster follow up shots then with LEM plus it gives me an extra button to play with. lol. LEM does have its perks - for p2000 & Sk models no hammer so less of a snag issue, dont have to worry about decocking, or accidentally firing a round (however if you have good muzzle/trigger discipline that should never be an issue)

[Lukas Koukal]

DA/SA for me. It REALY is a question of Your personal liking only. Go and try, compare and evaluate. Get what You like and train and train and... train a little more :)

[wtpracing327]

is the LEM kinda like a glock?

[HK_Flyer]

The LEM is like carrying cocked and locked only the trigger remains full forward. There is almost no pressure required to bring the trigger back to the single action firing position. Also the hammer moves freely with the trigger.

[SgtTurtle]

I would say it depends on what you are using the weapon for. I use my P2000 .40 LEM as a CCW. I like that the LEM has less controls to fiddle with in a gun fight. I also like the safety of the longer trigger pull. The LEM is a smooth consistent trigger. If you are used to a DA/SA it will probably require some practice to get used to the LEM. I would say practice is the key. With my P2000 I can draw from my IWB holster and fire three shots rapidly in the orange at 30 feet very consistently.

Remember that in real life high stress situations, fine motor control can be significantly reduced. The answer, to me, is to reduce the number of controls you have to operate, and practice, practice, practice. My P2000 LEM has one control, the trigger, and it operates the same way every time. (I don't use the slide release because, in a gun fight, I don't trust that I will be able to find that little lever; I use an overhand grab with my left hand to pull the slide back.)

To anyone who is interested in what happens to you physiologically in a real gun fight, I would highly suggest On Combat (http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Psychology-Physiology-Deadly-Conflict/dp/0964920522/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200237482&sr=8-1) by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. This should be required reading for anyone who carries a weapon.

[gpo1956]

How does the LEM compare to the Sig DAK?

[Ramplit]

Given that they sound like the Sig DAK and the HK LEM do the same thing, they feel surprisingly different. I have the lightened LEM in both by USP and USPc and shot the DAK in the 229 at the Sig school. I liked the DAK, but it didn't seem quite as nice as my LEM to me...but as is often stated here, what you practice with is what you're most likely to like!

[STW]

I think that the LEM is the single best sytem out there for a fighting pistol. It has everything you need. It may take a few mags down range to get the feel for it but once you do it is amazing. No I wouldn't want it on a target gun... My HK's are not tartget guns in any way, they're built for fighting and nothing else.

[Secret_77]

I'm 42... I guess that makes me old so all I really know is DA/SA. It's what I've trained with for years... I don't even really feel the first trigger pull as being heavier. I know it is, but my perception they are all "lighter" especially coming from a PD during the "conversion years" switching from revolver to semi.

I'm sure as more and more younger guys come up in academy's using DAO and or similar systems they will prefer what they trained with.

[Big Bore]

I didn't think a better trigger existed than the standard V1 trigger, especially the Match trigger. Then I got into really trying the LEM V1 trigger and converted completely. Now all my shooters have LEM V1 triggers except for one Mark 23 and one Tactical. The Mark 23 will stay the way it is of course but I think the Tacticals V1 trigger's days are numbered.