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newenglandpatriot
03-05-2008, 07:33 PM
feedback please
smschulz
03-05-2008, 07:42 PM
One that hits the mark you aim at.
Scooter
03-05-2008, 07:42 PM
a few of the past discussions

http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29143
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7505
faris13
03-05-2008, 08:25 PM
I really believe accuracy is more a function of the shooter than the gun. For instance I can shoot my USP compact and P30 better than custom 1911's. The 1911's are inherently more accurate but I can shoot the HK's better because of familiarity.

For most pistols today inherent accuracy is going to be pretty close.
HKPhD
03-05-2008, 08:43 PM
I really believe accuracy is more a function of the shooter than the gun. For instance I can shoot my USP compact and P30 better than custom 1911's. The 1911's are inherently more accurate but I can shoot the HK's better because of familiarity.

For most pistols today inherent accuracy is going to be pretty close.

Agree
Hard Boiled
03-05-2008, 08:45 PM
PSG1 :)
This is really operator dependent.

I was shooting at the range yesterday, watching a guy with a long-slide Glock drill the same hole through the bullseye shot after shot. When I commented on his impressive marksmanship, the guy said, "That's a really great gun." I replied, "The gun's just a tool. It's accuracy depends on who's using it." That being said, I think some guns are inherently more accurate due to longer sight radius and tighter tolerances. I'm sure the full-size USP and upgraded models (expert, elite, etc.), as well as the new HK45 are natural tack-drivers. Then it depends on the skill, comfort and familiarity of the shooter.
Scooter
03-05-2008, 09:31 PM
Accuracy of the gun is not operator dependant. We're talking about the accuracy of the gun, not the accuracy of the shooter.
Landpimp
03-05-2008, 09:32 PM
P9s 9mm target, or 9mm Elite/Expert, then P7
cmdrdredd
03-05-2008, 10:16 PM
Accuracy of the gun is not operator dependant. We're talking about the accuracy of the gun, not the accuracy of the shooter.

if you can't control the trigger, can't aim worth junk, and flinch you won't hit what you want. It's always the shooter.

Pretty much every quality gun out there will shoot more accurately than you can aim.
tulsamal
03-05-2008, 11:02 PM
Pretty much every quality gun out there will shoot more accurately than you can aim.

I doubt that. If I shoot off a bench, I can shoot a long barreled .22 Auto into just over an inch at 25 yards. Less than 1.5" for sure. (Something like a Ruger MKii target model.) I can think of dozens and dozens of "quality guns" that I've fired over the years that couldn't match that even in a Ransom Rest.

Gregg
ripley16
03-06-2008, 03:03 AM
My vote goes for the USP Elite .45, a 6" barrel coupled with a target trigger...very accurate.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/HKElite.jpg
HKAZ
03-06-2008, 04:46 AM
I agree that it's the ELITES. Personally, I'm a little better with the 9mm ELITE.
Bighunt1975
03-06-2008, 01:35 PM
I am going to agree with Landpimp, I recently went shooting with a group of fellow HKers on here and Mmissle let us shoot his P9s in 9mm, everyone that shot it was blowing out the center of the target. That was my first experience with the P9 and have to say the accuraccy really impressed me.
derekste
03-06-2008, 02:44 PM
I had a USP compact and USPf both in .45. Even though I owned the compact for longer and had put more rounds through it, I was hands-down more accurate with the USPf. Chalk it up to more weight or bigger grip or something else, but I definitely shot better with the full-size.
CZ-75
03-06-2008, 02:50 PM
The elite is very accurate as long as you can master the USP trigger... which, even the "match" trigger leaves a lot to be desired, IMO.

IMHO, the P9S is the most accurate HK handgun followed by the P7.
smschulz
03-06-2008, 03:11 PM
The elite is very accurate as long as you can master the USP trigger... which, even the "match" trigger leaves a lot to be desired, IMO.
Disagree... the Match Trigger is pretty damm good. True it is different than others and would not necessarilyput it in the same class of World Class weapons such as many 1911 or Sig X-5 etc but still very, very enjoyable to shoot.



I agree that it's the ELITES. Personally, I'm a little better with the 9mm ELITE.
Same here the Elite is my most accurate HK.
CZ-75
03-06-2008, 04:09 PM
Well... I had a Tactical that came with a match trigger... and it left a lot to be desired. My point of reference is a CZ-75 which has a far supperior trigger in both DA and SA. Of course, one person's dream trigger can be another's POS.
ltbarber
03-06-2008, 04:51 PM
I remember reading that,in government testing,in a machine rest,the Mark 23 fired 5 rounds into the same hole! That's pretty accurate!
MaverickH1
03-06-2008, 05:16 PM
if you can't control the trigger, can't aim worth junk, and flinch you won't hit what you want. It's always the shooter.

Pretty much every quality gun out there will shoot more accurately than you can aim.

If you're strictly talking about the accuracy capability of the gun, it is assumed that there is no human error. So which gun is more accurate than another isn't dependent on the shooter for that reason. It's strictly dependent on the gun, assuming the environment and ammo are all the same.

That's what Scooter is talking about.
murfdog
03-06-2008, 05:20 PM
IMHO it's a combination of Gun,Shooter & Ammo just my 2 cents :62:
MaverickH1
03-06-2008, 05:23 PM
IMHO it's a combination of Gun,Shooter & Ammo just my 2 cents :62:

Accuracy is a combination of a lot of things. Those are some of them.

But accuracy of just the gun isn't dependent on any of the other variables.

It's much like cars. A stock Dodge Viper is faster than a stock Dodge Neon. Doesn't matter who's driving, the Viper is the faster car. But it may end up losing to the Neon if you account for the ability of the driver.
murfdog
03-06-2008, 05:31 PM
Accuracy is a combination of a lot of things. Those are some of them.

But accuracy of just the gun isn't dependent on any of the other variables.

It's much like cars. A stock Dodge Viper is faster than a stock Dodge Neon. Doesn't matter who's driving, the Viper is the faster car. But it may end up losing to the Neon if you account for the ability of the driver.
Good point just thought i'd name those there are other factors as well.
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CrippledPidgeon
03-06-2008, 05:44 PM
Gotcha, so accuracy is based on gun, shooter, ammo, and the size of the engine.

wait. :P

Well a longer sight radius is going to help the shooter be more accurate, so I suppose that the Elite would give the best option there... But then again, the higher the bore axis, the more the muzzle will flip, and follow up shots will be less accurate, so that would bring you to the P7... But if the USP and P7 grips don't fit your hand properly, it's harder to be accurate, so the P2000, P30, and HK45 would give you more options for better fit.

So. No HK is accurate. You should get a glock. Yea. :40:
phatjohn
03-06-2008, 06:17 PM
All discussion about marksmanship aside. I have added O-ringed barrels ala MK 23 to my USP .40F and .45F. The barrel for the .40 came from Larry at CCF in 2000 or 2002. After swapping it for the factory barrel, I noticed right away that my groups shrank noticeably. I have shot the snot out of the thing ever since and have had to only replace the O-ring one time because I broke it while cleaning the pistol. The .45 barrel is a Bar-Sto. After fitting it to the slide, it rivals my Kimber in accuracy. Needless to say, these 2 USP's are capable of a lot more accuracy than I am.

Just my .02 cents.