HK USPC40 or Glock 23

[spyder1439]

Hello all,

should i sell my glock 23 for a uspc 40? My glock shoots great and it was the first gun i owned but my p2000sk puts my glock to shame. I like having an in-between gun that i can use for moonlighting and off duty carry. my duty weapon is a sig p226 which is too big to carry off duty and when doing a quasi uniformed detail i like having a gun that carrys more then 10 rounds - thats where the glock 23 or uspc comes in. anyone know where to pick up a uspc 40 SA/DA for the cheapest price?

[cmdrdredd]

P226 isn't that large for carry I don't think. I've seen people carry a full sized USP which is much larger than the P226 overall.

Anyway, I'd say the USP would be much better than the Glock.

[C-Class]

I have a G19 and USPc 40. The grip angle is different by a couple of degrees on the G19 which causes the gun to naturally point high for me.

The HK and Sig family of pistols are more closely aligned to point of aim. So, it's the USPc for CCW everytime for me.

CDNN Investments usually has good pricing on HK pistols.

[fritz]

Greetings from Guam!

I've got both, carry both and wouldn't trade either for either. They both shoot great, carry great, feel great and look great when concealed. If I could only have one, it would be the HK but not because of any lack in the Glock. Prestige aside, the HK has a different balance that I prefer and I like the LEM modification and trigger reset feel just a bit better than the Glock's trigger pull. I shoot at a LE range where three shot groups is the standard. I also shoot IPSC where two shots are the standard and find the short trigger reset for follow up shots to work better. The HK is slightly heavier by 2.5 ounces which may account for the different balance. I did change the springs on the HK to lower the SA trigger pull to about 5 pounds 4 ounces from the 8 pounds 12 oz of the original configuration.

My advice? Have 'em both, shoot them both a lot and carry the one that strikes your fancy that day. Since neither has an external safety and both are the same size and weight you won't develop any bad habits by shooting both side by side if you use the same or similar carry set ups. I use Galco pancake and IWB holsters that are virtually the same for both guns.

Best, Norm

[Capp325]

P226 isn't that large for carry I don't think. I've seen people carry a full sized USP which is much larger than the P226 overall.
USP is not "much larger" than P226. It's actually about the same size.

[Titan1]

I/m with fritz. I have both and carry both as well. Each offer something the other does not. ....but if I could only have one, it would be the HK. More refined and I shoot it better. Not sure I would trade the G23 in on a USP.40 though.

[cmdrdredd]

USP is not "much larger" than P226. It's actually about the same size.

The length and height of the USP is bigger than the P226, but the point is people can carry it easily. P226 should be ok too.

[blackforesteins]

I have been carrying a Glock 23 for over a year in both a leather holster and switch out to a fobus from time to tome. I was a Glock guy until I found this site and got bit by the HK Bug. I actually going to the gun shop today to get rid of the glock today. It is a great gun, but handeling the HK;s they just fit better in my hand. My hands are to large for the Glock but they are a fine weapon. I have never had one problem with my Glock 23 but it is time to focuss for me on a line that I am pumper about and that is HK. Regards and I am sure you will make the right choice for you. Karl

[Newaza]

The thing that bothers me most about the Sigs is how the grips tend to give and move when you grip them and shoot them. I got rid of a nice P226 for this very reason. I tried different grips on it: Nills, Hogues, etc., but the original factory grip still felt the best in my hand. However, it moved, and it drove me nuts.

I prefer the extremely agressive checkering and grip texture on the HKs. Also, the HK has a much shorter trigger reset than the Sig, which, to me, is a huge advantage. The reset is on par with the Glock reset.

That said, I love my Glock 23. But I hate the finger grooves on the Glocks. So I scored an old-style 23 without the finger grooves. I'll take a Glock or HK over a Sig any day of the week.

[cmdrdredd]

The thing that bothers me most about the Sigs is how the grips tend to give and move when you grip them and shoot them. I got rid of a nice P226 for this very reason. I tried different grips on it: Nills, Hogues, etc., but the original factory grip still felt the best in my hand. However, it moved, and it drove me nuts.

I prefer the extremely agressive checkering and grip texture on the HKs. Also, the HK has a much shorter trigger reset than the Sig, which, to me, is a huge advantage. The reset is on par with the Glock reset.

That said, I love my Glock 23. But I hate the finger grooves on the Glocks. So I scored an old-style 23 without the finger grooves. I'll take a Glock or HK over a Sig any day of the week.

Fair enough. I don't have enough shooting experience with SIGs to tell if what you say is true of all SIGs or just a random occurance.

[reconwork]

Hello all,

should i sell my glock 23 for a uspc 40? My glock shoots great and it was the first gun i owned but my p2000sk puts my glock to shame. I like having an in-between gun that i can use for moonlighting and off duty carry. my duty weapon is a sig p226 which is too big to carry off duty and when doing a quasi uniformed detail i like having a gun that carrys more then 10 rounds - thats where the glock 23 or uspc comes in. anyone know where to pick up a uspc 40 SA/DA for the cheapest price?

I guess you should first ask yourself why did HK abandon the 40 cal? Still like the 40? OK cdnn has the cheapest prices going to my knowledge....try them.

[Cadillac Johnson]

Unless it's a G17, G19, G26, or G20, I'd sell it.

Also the P2000 handles the .40 better than the USPc IMO.

Having said all that, since you're familiar with the P226, why not just get a P229?

[FredMan]

I carry a G23 and/or a USPc.40 as well. The G23 is a fine carry weapon, but lately I've found it getting more and more "safe" time while the HK gets all the carry time. I guess I just like the HK better; I shoot it better, it fits my hand better, and I like the condition 1 carry (as well as the double strike capability).

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/forester1/Glock/DSCN1577.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/forester1/HK/DSC_1055.jpg

[fritz]

I guess you should first ask yourself why did HK abandon the 40 cal?

What do you mean? My latest USP40C is brand new and the web site shows at least seven different pistols offered in .40 S&W.

[Rush4theYehO]

try summitgunbroker.com for a $475 usp 40 compact in Variant 3

[misfit toy]

GOOD GOD THE USP$) COMPACT IS SO SSSEEEESEXXYYYY!!!! Oh and shoots great too !!!! I'm thinking on leaving the 454 alaskan back in the cabin when im in bear country :520: ( Glock save the county money) COME ON HK LETS PLAY, LETS PLAY!!! :510:

[misfit toy]

Um' a sorry about that! THEN AGAIN SHE IS A 40 SS COMPACT, OH "BABY" YA, YA BABY YA...... :170000:

[robert14]

That said, I love my Glock 23. But I hate the finger grooves on the Glocks. So I scored an old-style 23 without the finger grooves. I'll take a Glock or HK over a Sig any day of the week.

I agree, the most uncomfortable point with the Glock 19, 23 platform is that the ridges on the grip's finger groves line up with my fingers, not between them. Not the case with the HK45 nor the P30.

[reconwork]

What do you mean? My latest USP40C is brand new and the web site shows at least seven different pistols offered in .40 S&W.

The USP was built around the 40 cal yes, but what is there new model 40 cal? The p30 is 9mm and the hk45 is .45acp so what new 40 did they make? Ever hear no compromise? the 40 is nothing but. I may be mistaken but i don't think Hk plans to continue producing firearms in 40 cal. Did they melt down every 40 the produced? O course not, but the caliber may fade away along with our gun rights if gun owners don't do something soon. Anyway my intent for posting in the first place was to show some disdain for the 40 cal. not to confuse you sorry my bad. To all 40 lovers out there please forgive me for passing on the cool aid, but I'll stick to 9mm and 45acp like God intended LOL. :D

[Kost]

I have numerous USP 40's, I just dont shoot them tho, just the .45's. The .40 is a wonderful round tho. This one of mine is for sale for $750 with 2 of the mags & the Galco holster. PM for more details. (Have not put together a for sale ad yet, just trade)
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74111

*I would go with the USPC .40*

[spyder1439]

I actually have an older model glock 23 w/o the finger grooves (if i had the finger grooves it would have been sold a long time ago)
If the price of ammo goes up any higher i may resort to the 9 mm and then fight to get a hold of some.
not to start a caliber war or put down the 9mm but im not that big a fan of the 9. my department uses 357 sig and i like how the 40 and 357 sig are interchangeable with the swap of a barrel giving me more options. plus with the 357 or 40 if i gotta shoot through a wall or a windshield or a car door i know i got the power behind the punch (especially with the 357) to do so.

[FChen17213]

Nothing wrong with the Glock 23 or USP 40c. The two guns are basically the same size and carry the same. You should get whichever you like better and shoot better with. Since your duty gun is a Sig 226, maybe you should also take a good look at the Sig P229 in .40. That is a great gun too.

[Cadillac Johnson]

The USP was built around the 40 cal yes, but what is there new model 40 cal? The p30 is 9mm and the hk45 is .45acp so what new 40 did they make? Ever hear no compromise? the 40 is nothing but. I may be mistaken but i don't think Hk plans to continue producing firearms in 40 cal. Did they melt down every 40 the produced? O course not, but the caliber may fade away along with our gun rights if gun owners don't do something soon. Anyway my intent for posting in the first place was to show some disdain for the 40 cal. not to confuse you sorry my bad. To all 40 lovers out there please forgive me for passing on the cool aid, but I'll stick to 9mm and 45acp like God intended LOL. :D

The P30 looks like it was developed for the .40, and then modified for the 9mm. There will be a .40 P30. Just because HK released a 9mm and .45 first doesn't really mean anything as far their future plans for the round.

Also, the .40 isn't going anywhere, it's the most popular LE caliber. Why would it fade away? Because YOU dont like it?

Compare the .40 to the 9mm and you get a larger, heavier bullet at a similar velocity when looking at lighter .40 bullets.

Personally, I prefer the 9mm and the .45, I actually just sold my last .40.

That being said, balistically it offers the perfect balance of size, weight, velocity, capacity, and gun size when comparing it to the 9mm and .45. With the 9mm and .45 you're at one extreme of light and fast or slow and heavy. The .40 is a compromise, but it's a very well thought out, and very well received compromise.

Save your disdain for someone that asked for it. There's bound to be another caliber war thread in the near future, and when that time comes feel free to let loose.

[cmdrdredd]

The P30 looks like it was developed for the .40, and then modified for the 9mm. There will be a .40 P30. Just because HK released a 9mm and .45 first doesn't really mean anything as far their future plans for the round.

Also, the .40 isn't going anywhere, it's the most popular LE caliber. Why would it fade away? Because YOU dont like it?

Compare the .40 to the 9mm and you get a larger, heavier bullet at a similar velocity when looking at lighter .40 bullets.

Personally, I prefer the 9mm and the .45, I actually just sold my last .40.

That being said, balistically it offers the perfect balance of size, weight, velocity, capacity, and gun size when comparing it to the 9mm and .45. With the 9mm and .45 you're at one extreme of light and fast or slow and heavy. The .40 is a compromise, but it's a very well thought out, and very well received compromise.

Save your disdain for someone that asked for it. There's bound to be another caliber war thread in the near future, and when that time comes feel free to let loose.

How can you say that you prefer 9mm or .45 and that you sold all your .40 guns and then sit there defending .40? That confuses me a bit.

Personally I'd say .40 is the caliber that tries to be everything but excels at nothing.

To the topic at hand it's a bit like comparing a Hyundai with a Cadillac IMO.

[SweedishMurdrMachine]

+1 for the HK USP-C .357sig

I had a USP-C .40 and sold it to my buddy to get my .357sig. I noticed that the .40 had too much bullet drop IMHO and went with the .357sig because it's faster and shoots at a flatter trajectory.

I swear my life by that gun and have never had any issues with it what so ever!

Brock

I actually have an older model glock 23 w/o the finger grooves (if i had the finger grooves it would have been sold a long time ago)
If the price of ammo goes up any higher i may resort to the 9 mm and then fight to get a hold of some.
not to start a caliber war or put down the 9mm but im not that big a fan of the 9. my department uses 357 sig and i like how the 40 and 357 sig are interchangeable with the swap of a barrel giving me more options. plus with the 357 or 40 if i gotta shoot through a wall or a windshield or a car door i know i got the power behind the punch (especially with the 357) to do so.

[Gerber]

As stated previously, go with what you feel more comfortable with. When I get into LE, I will be issued a G22/23 and will have to live with that. Of course, you better believe I'll carry my HK off-duty. And going into LE is what made me decide on the .40, otherwise, it would have been a 9mm.

There is nothing wrong with any caliber IMO. It's all about feel, comfort and controlability. To say nothing of personal preference.

[reconwork]

The P30 looks like it was developed for the .40, and then modified for the 9mm. There will be a .40 P30. Just because HK released a 9mm and .45 first doesn't really mean anything as far their future plans for the round.

Also, the .40 isn't going anywhere, it's the most popular LE caliber. Why would it fade away? Because YOU dont like it?

Compare the .40 to the 9mm and you get a larger, heavier bullet at a similar velocity when looking at lighter .40 bullets.

Personally, I prefer the 9mm and the .45, I actually just sold my last .40.

That being said, balistically it offers the perfect balance of size, weight, velocity, capacity, and gun size when comparing it to the 9mm and .45. With the 9mm and .45 you're at one extreme of light and fast or slow and heavy. The .40 is a compromise, but it's a very well thought out, and very well received compromise.

Save your disdain for someone that asked for it. There's bound to be another caliber war thread in the near future, and when that time comes feel free to let loose.

Oh i thought the p30 was designed as a replacement for the p7 for German police. I heard somewhere that they really favor the 40 cal and had HK design the p30 for that round but then changed there mind. LOL :rolleyes: Sorry to offend you there Johnson but i have a right to my opinion. Trouble is I can not make any sense of yours. :20000000:

[rectifiedbuzz]

Just weigh your priorities as far as what you like about each and what you need more. I own a G23 and a USPc 40/357. I like the ergonomics of the grip on the G23 over the USPc. However, since I like the build and the external safety on the USPc, it's my EDC...for the time being.

I'd call CDNN. They seem to have stock that moves quickly, so speaking with a rep would be best.

[Cadillac Johnson]

How can you say that you prefer 9mm or .45 and that you sold all your .40 guns and then sit there defending .40? That confuses me a bit.

Personally I'd say .40 is the caliber that tries to be everything but excels at nothing.

To the topic at hand it's a bit like comparing a Hyundai with a Cadillac IMO.

You must get confused easily..

Just because I prefer the 9mm or .45 over the .40 doesn't mean the .40 isn't a good round. It just means I prefer something else.

My preference has nothing to do with the caliber's usefullness.

Oh i thought the p30 was designed as a replacement for the p7 for German police. I heard somewhere that they really favor the 40 cal and had HK design the p30 for that round but then changed there mind. LOL :rolleyes: Sorry to offend you there Johnson but i have a right to my opinion. Trouble is I can not make any sense of yours. :20000000:


No offense taken, and you do have the right to your opinion. Problem is, no one asked for it, and it has nothing to do with the thread.

The OP asked for people's opinions on the the two guns. He already made his desicion that he wanted a .40. Your opinion on the caliber was not needed, and if you weren't going to give him the help he asked for, you shouldn't have responded.