Shot my first P7 today, I'm hooked!

[shakazulu12]

Wow!! What else can I say. All the threads on here about the P7 had me intersted for a long time. I went to the range today, where I knew they had a P7 for rent a few months ago. Lo and behold, they don't rent it anymore!! The rangemaster said it was not being rented anymore and he kept it in his safe in the back. Then proceeded to tell me how much he loved it.

I think the tears wellng up in my eyes must have worked because he asked me a few minutes later if he wanted me to take it out so I could put few rounds through it.

Ended up putting 100 rounds through it. I have a USP Tactical 0.40 and the P7 made it feel like a Cadillac! It felt big, light and the trigger felt "mushy". I haven't shot in a few months and with the P7 it was like I had been shooting a thousand runds a week. When I went back to my USP and Kimber Ultra, my groupings were showing my lack of practice. I can't imagine how accurate I would be with getting back to the range more

Pro's:
-Trigger pull, so awesome
-So natural to aim
-just fits my hand well
-Very low recoil, I can get back on target in a flash

Cons:
-I don't own one
-Gets hot after about 40 rounds. The last magazine I could barely hold on anymore.
-Thats pretty much about it.

Now, I have to have one. Since I can't really afford the P7, I'm going to look at ordering a PSP from CDNN. Hopefully its most of the same experience.

[Mark71]

Now you see what all the hype is about :D. Give Marshall a call at CDNN or Steve at SCPfirearms.com for the BEST deal one of the police trade in P7's.

[M1A]

I'm going to have to get my hands on one of these. It seems like everyone that has shot one is hooked.

[shakazulu12]

I couldn't believe it. It made my USP feel like an giant ax, while the P7 felt like a scalpal. Total difference in feel.

[Dano36]

Be careful. They are like potato chips, you can't stop at one.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/dano36/IMG_1068.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/dano36/IMG_1070.jpg

[SauceNJ]

I no longer shoot my other guns. I'm gonna save up and buy an M8. The PSP is great to throw around and not worry about banging it up but I'd like an M8 to love and cherish and keep looking pretty :)

[bspring]

Another pro is that prices have never been this low for really nice PSP's.

Bill

[taz devil]

I had an M8 but actually prefer my psp. The cocking handle seemed a little lighter than the M8. The heat is really my only complaint!

[HKusp45]

I like my USP's but my P7 is a great addition to my collection. I'm still getting used to it but it seems very accurate. I paid $595 shipped which is a great deal for a German steel pistol.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/davekr/Guns%202008/HKP7003.jpg

[ss_doomtrooper]

P7's are so cool. I'm broke right now, but I think I have successfully conned my friend into getting a PSP. I can't wait to try it out(if he ends up getting it of course)!

[NonConformist]

Maybe I should get one instead of that Taurus 24/7 Longslide I have been looking at.

I really should shoot one first though

[madmardigan]

I would recommend that if you do decide to get one, spend the extra 75-100 bucks for an "A" grade P7. A "B" grade will function/shoot just as well but I think most of the "A" grades are LNIB. Or if you want something different, get the "B" grade and have it hard chromed, nickeled, or whatever. I will be having mine hard chromed and leaving the "A" grade as is, its just too nice too mess with.

[Dano36]

My 2 "A's" from CDNN appeared unfired internally.

[.354x.748]

I hear you guys, I bought a P7 from Steve at SCPfirearms.com a couple weeks ago. Nice condition, great guy to deal with. Finally made it to the range yesterday to give it a try, I was really there to shoot my new P226 elite though.
Well after an hour of putting mags though the Elite it was getting time to leave and I remembered the P7 in the range bag. It was my first time with a "squeeze cocker" and bought the gun more as a novelty in all honesty.
After shooting it I can say the hype surrounding these guns is for real. The low bore axis and fixed barrel made for some outstanding groups. The gun point's so naturally, and the trigger is tits. I'm hooked.
It easily out-shot my new Sig that cost twice as much. Its recoil is a bit snappy compared to the sig , and I am no fan of the euro, heel style magazine release.
But man does it shoot. Now I need some extra mags and maybe some night sites! My biggest complaint is that I waited so long to try one.
Get one while you can.

[Solidgun]

Yeah, mine is my bed side gun now. It is the only gun I can really trust chambered after owning it.

[shakazulu12]

I would recommend that if you do decide to get one, spend the extra 75-100 bucks for an "A" grade P7. A "B" grade will function/shoot just as well but I think most of the "A" grades are LNIB. Or if you want something different, get the "B" grade and have it hard chromed, nickeled, or whatever. I will be having mine hard chromed and leaving the "A" grade as is, its just too nice too mess with.

How much is it to nickel plate a pistol? Just thinking here. Its going to get carried and shot quite a bit. I shoot everything as much as I can, this won't be a safe queen for sure. Thats the other reason I'm thinking the PSP vs the M8

[madmardigan]

It's around 250 to have it done by a shop that specializes in gun refinishing. Off the top of my head look up Tripps or Fords gun refinshing, that would be a good start. I wouldn't take it down to the local plating shop and have "bubba" do it, thats for sure.

[n5esj]

The word's out that Tripp's is going out of the pistol plating business this summer! :(

[Laserlips]

[QUOTE=.354x.748;592873
But man does it shoot. Now I need some extra mags and maybe some night sites! My biggest complaint is that I waited so long to try one.
Get one while you can.[/QUOTE]


FWIW:

CDNN sells as new/demo P7 mags for $39.00. I should correct that and say "CDNN sells as new/demo P7 mags for $39.99 WHEN they are in stock". :)

But, I've been lucky (3 times) and I have been able to buy 6 extra, giving me 3 for each pistol. The mags I bought appear to be the same mags as came in the pistol as to appearance, etc.

I have found out that the stock of these P7 mags will "ebb and flow" as sometimes CDNN is out of them, but the very next day they will get another shipment.

I would call the toll free number and speak to a salesperson (mine is Neal) and tell him I wanted some and to please let me know when some are available. I don't think you'll ever lose money on these factory mags at $39.99.. You can always sell the suckers if you need to.

Just an option.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

[Laserlips]

It's around 250 to have it done by a shop that specializes in gun refinishing. Off the top of my head look up Tripps or Fords gun refinshing, that would be a good start. I wouldn't take it down to the local plating shop and have "bubba" do it, thats for sure.


FWIW:

Tripps will not be hardchroming (or refinishing period) any more firearms after June (or Maybe July), according to an announcement on their website..

I guess Ford's is a good choice.

Jesse

[Richard S]

Be careful. They are like potato chips, you can't stop at one. * * *


In my case, it's more like an increasingly expensive affair with one of those so-called "high-maintenance women." No complaints, though. I've just sent six more magazines to Virgil Tripp's shop for matte chrome before he closes down his replating operations. :cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/HKP7withKDHolster.jpg

[Carphunter]

How prone is the squeeze cocker to rusting on these? The metal on that piece looks similar to the frame on the grip of my old ruger semi .22 pistol which was impossible to keep from rusting.

[gunut45]

How prone is the squeeze cocker to rusting on these? The metal on that piece looks similar to the frame on the grip of my old ruger semi .22 pistol which was impossible to keep from rusting.

I have never seen nor heard of one rusting. Mine has been fine...

[NoCompromise]

My old m13 showed a little bit of rust on the cocker and a bit on the grip after carrying it for about 8 hours in the hot Texas sun. I was wearing it IWB with no undershirt. It wiped right off and I lubed it better for the next time. Could have been some wierd colored sweat I guess... :D

[arhk159]

I'm not a very good shooter but when I first shot the P7, I was able to put one of the eight rounds through the same hole from one of the previous rounds! My grouping is best w/ the P7M8. Great compact pistol and deadly accurate!

[Laserlips]

I'm not a very good shooter but when I first shot the P7, I was able to put one of the eight rounds through the same hole from one of the previous rounds! My grouping is best w/ the P7M8. Great compact pistol and deadly accurate!


arh:

Hey, I'm a crappy shooter.. I'm a senior citizen, shaky hands and declining vision, and the inherent accuracy of the HK P7 can make even an old fart like myself appear like a reasonable marksman..

If you can't hit a target at any reasonable self defense distance with an HK P7 it's time to move into a 12ga...:49:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8654.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8774.jpg

Did I mention they're addictive?


Jesse

[shakazulu12]

Just thought I would update this thread, I ordered the PSP from Steve at SCP today, once it gets here its getting sent to Tripp for the hard chrome treatment, ended up buying a "B" grade for 539 shipped!

Now I just need to source some extra magazines and figure out which IWB holster to go with, since this will be carried daily.

[HKshang]

Hey guys, i've read from a guy at another forum that his grade "B" from Steve @ scpfirearms.com came in better condition than a grade "A" from CDNN.com. Can anybody else verify this? If you've bought from both companies i'd like to hear your experiences regarding the conditions of the pistol as well. Thanks!

[tool1075]

HK grades the pistols due to internal wear/use.

That being said,

yes, there are variations in EXTERNAL appearance. There have been instances where Grade A pistols from CDNN (CDNN is one of the few places you have been able to GET a Grade A P7 for a while now) had worse exterior appearances than Grade B's from, for example, Steve at SCP.

I think Steve even sends some back if he doesn't think it's "Grade B" worthy.

I bought a Grade A from CDNN because in my opinion, the difference in price was small, and I'm going to spend WAY more on ammo anyway. (that's how I justify buying ANY gun. ammo is the expensive part) My grade A is beautiful.

I think CDNN is out of Grade A's, but I could be wrong. You can't go wrong with either vendor, and keep in mind, you can always return it.

(but also keep in mind, that if you return a pistol to CDNN, there is no guarantee they will have one in stock for your exchange. trust me on that one.)

[Laserlips]

Hey guys, i've read from a guy at another forum that his grade "B" from Steve @ scpfirearms.com came in better condition than a grade "A" from CDNN.com. Can anybody else verify this? If you've bought from both companies i'd like to hear your experiences regarding the conditions of the pistol as well. Thanks!


HKs:

Well, I'll play "devils advocate" here.

I have absolutely no doubt that some of Steve's "B" grade P7's are as good as some "A" grade P7's, no matter who is selling them.

If "B"'s are being advertised as "very good to excellent", and "A" grades are being advertised as "Excellent to like new" then obviously there is room for overlap..

Having said that I honestly believe that in the vast majority of cases you will more than likely get your money's worth when you spend the extra for an "A" grade vs a "B" grade. Not always, but I should think most of the time.

Keep in mind that these pistols were graded in Germany, by HK folks, prior to export. I assure you that if a pistol could have been graded "A" it wouldn't have been graded "B" because that would cost HK money, as I'm sure the higher grades bring a larger price to HK from the importing dealer.

Additionally keep in mind that the pistols are graded according to INTERNAL wear, not external, or cosmetic wear.. So you might get a "B" grade P7 that (externally) "looks" better than a similiar "A" grade, but the grade was given not to looks, but internal condition.

Please be aware that I am NOT being critical of Steve, and in fact I have steered anyone desiring a "B" grade pistol to him because I have read nothing but good things about the P7's he sells.

One of my three CDNN pistols (all "A"'s) came NEW.. Period. Two of my CDNN P7's came "as new".. My buddy bought a CDNN P7 ("A" grade) at my suggestion, and he said his came new also.

Just a personal opinion, but I don't think the vast majority of these Lower Saxony Police P7's that are rated either "B", or "A" have been hurt in any way. So, I would suggest you buy whichever, and from whom ever you think offers you the best chance for personal satisfaction. I don't think you'll go wrong with Steve or CDNN.. In fact if I were getting a "B" grade P7 I would probably buy it from Steve because I know he handpicks his pistols, and CDNN does not. (to my understanding).

My P7 that came new is of 1980 manufacture.. I'm amazed at how a 4 digit serial numbered P7 manufactured in 1980 never got used, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Just personal opinion/no offense intended to Steve or anyone else.

Jesse

[shakazulu12]

My reasoning for going with a "B" grade was simply due to the fact that I will shoot it very regularly, thus paying for newer internals wasn't tops on my list. On top of that, knowing that I am sending it to Tripp's, it wasn't worth the outlay to me to make sure I had one with a perfect finish.

That said, I am not under the impression that the "B" graded units are any closer to mechanical failure than any other used weapon out there. Obviously there is a risk associated with it, but hey, its a fine piece of german engineering right?:rolleyes:

[HKshang]

Thanks for the replies guys. Contacted Steven at SCP friday and pulled the trigger on ordering one from him just because of his excellent customer service, and reputation in his hand selections in p7's. Let me also be the millionth and one person to mention Steven is an awesome guy to work with and couldn't have made this transaction any easier. I can't wait until I pick up this pistol!!!!!

[geoff]

IMO this is still the best hand gun HK has ever made.

[madmardigan]

IMO this is still the best hand gun HK has ever made.


+1.... definitely the best handgun HK has built and is also one of the best handguns ever made

[geoff]

+1.... definitely the best handgun HK has built and is also one of the best handguns ever made

Agreed. I can't think of a gun that was more innovative since the self-loading handgun was invented. It was truly a unique and genius design. It's really ashame that HK stopped making it. Yeah, the profit margin is probably considerably less when you compare it with the polymer stuff HK is making now, but they could always just jack the price up and produce it in limited numbers. "In a world of compromise, some don't". When they stopped making the P7 it kind of made me wonder what kind of compromise they were talking about.

[Pasch]

I got my P7 PSP from Steve at SCP a couple months ago, a great gun from a great guy.

It's a shame the squeeze cocking mechanism never really caught on. Nor did the gas piston. Or the fluted cylinder for more reliable extraction. In my relatively small collection of pistols the P7 is my favorite not just because of how well it works, but because of how unique it is.

With the supply of PSPs drying up I'm going to be looking long and hard at picking up a P7M8 sometime.

[chuck s]

My P7 (from SCP) is a "Grade B (Discounted B)" according to the invoice. Some very minor holster wear on the slide. Appears new inside. These are the pistols not quite up to Steve's cosmetic standards. Draw your own conclusions from the photos. (Just a quick wipe with a white lettering pencil for the photos.)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/892154/MCKKE-81384154-IMG_1210.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/892154/FYPJO-29368487-IMG_1212.JPG

I'm either going to carry it, shoot it, or discard it so Grade A finish (and a display shadow box!) isn't necessary. ;)

-- Chuck

[Veenus Envy]

http://lundestudio.com/photos/p7m8-top-right.jpg
http://lundestudio.com/photos/p7m8-left-full.jpg
http://lundestudio.com/photos/p7m8-hc-nill-left-full.jpg
http://lundestudio.com/photos/p7m8-hc-nill-right-flat.jpg

[HKshang]

OOOOOO, Veenus, very pretty!! where did you get it nickle plated at and how much did it cost ya?

[Veenus Envy]

http://lundestudio.com/hks.html

They are Ken Lunde's pics. He used Tripp, which is stopping their plating service on the 13th of June.

[eddyfinster]

Be careful. They are like potato chips, you can't stop at one.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/dano36/IMG_1068.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/dano36/IMG_1070.jpg

are those grade As or Bs

[shakazulu12]

Just got word from Steve at SCP Firearms, he ran out of the guns in the lower grade finish for 539, and instead is sending me the hand picked grade B that he usually sells for 579, I can't wait!!! supposed to be here Thursday, I'll have a more detailed range report then before I shoot it off to Tripp's.

[Richard S]

Just got word from Steve at SCP Firearms, he ran out of the guns in the lower grade finish for 539, and instead is sending me the hand picked grade B that he usually sells for 579, I can't wait!!! supposed to be here Thursday, I'll have a more detailed range report then before I shoot it off to Tripp's.

It looks like the plan is coming together. Way to go, and good luck!

[Dano36]

Eddie,

Those are A"s.

[eddyfinster]

Eddie,

Those are A"s.

Thanks, just curious I got an A grade that Im a little dissapointed with, are the stamps and lettering on the other side in good shape, and are there small nicks on the slide that is not showing up in the picture. Like I said, Im just curious as to what kind of shape the other grade As are in. By the way. Nice Pistols

[shakazulu12]

It looks like the plan is coming together. Way to go, and good luck!

I love it when a plan comes together

http://www.buyersmls.com/americantv/ateam/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%20How%20to%20Catch%20the%20A-Team_files/han1.jpeg

[Richard S]

I love it when a plan comes together

http://www.buyersmls.com/americantv/ateam/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%20How%20to%20Catch%20the%20A-Team_files/han1.jpeg

"Colonel John 'Hannibal' Smith" -- one of a kind! :cool: