Possible RFID or other chip location HK45C.....

[quikz]

After posting a comparo of size between a P2000 and HK45C. I noticed a pic of mine showing a cutout in the grip. Previously someone had posted about a possible RFID chip located in the grip and could be seen with the backstrap removed.

Here is a pic and what I think may be a spot for a RFID, chip, transponder etc...in the HK45C:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/quik_z/DSCN0872a.jpg

[dhysk]

I noticed that in your original post as well.

[sbwharton]

Surely not...right?

[MaverickH1]

No, it's a spot to store extra batteries for your flashlight/laser combo. Just like the buttstock on the 416/417 has compartments for the EOtech batteries.

I kid. :)

[cueist]

That is the spot where the chip is designed to go in the HK45. However, and this has been said many many times already. HK will NOT be putting the chips in civilian guns, the chips is only for Military, Govt, and LE agencies that order them.

[MaD HuNGaRIaN]

Except for the dude a while back who had one turn up in his P2000.

[MaverickH1]

He bought a LE package gun. Some of them leak through.

[WSUXJer]

There was a guy on ARFCOM who had one in his USPc 9mm.

[RRMan03]

Very easy problem if you do not want it to solve. Remove it and put it on a moving object like a rabbit or just zap it.I like the spare battery holder idea.

[Chui]

They - and other manufacturers - can claim what they want. It's this type of technological progression that will be forced on the industry. It's just a matter of time. I don't like the implications but it can be imbedded in the dust cover underneath the serial number or any place else as RFID chips are becoming very, very small. Rumor has it that they are being placed in clothing. I cannot see the (positive, constructive) value in that at all...

[Sniperfox]

There was a guy on ARFCOM who had one in his USPc 9mm.
Where was it supposed to be on a USPc?

[WSUXJer]

Hidden underneath the magazine lock out.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/ragin_cajun_photos/IMGP0902.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/ragin_cajun_photos/IMGP0896.jpg

[HarryCalahan1]

It gets worse and worse all the time and there's new and more oppressive tactics developed-that's your "New World Order."

You know I've heard of this RFID chip S**T. Next they'll start mandating putting them in kids and charge you with child abuse if you refuse!
If they do then it really is about time for man to do the honorable thing and have a good solid obliterating nuclear war.

The worst thing ever created was man, the 2nd worst thing was Government of any type.

[cueist]

Lets keep this discussion about the chips in the pistols and keep the "tin-foil" away or the thread goes away, ok?

[bordercop]

Yup, there's one in my P2000. Then again, mine is government issue.

If you have one in yours and don't want it, they come loose easy enough (We've had to glue a few of them back in). They are there so that if the serial numbers are wiped out, the gun can still be identified, much like the ones you can get put into your pets or even yourself. However, I have yet to hear of any law enforcement agency that has a reader for them.

Hmm, my dog is due for shots, I should ask the vet to scan my gun and see if anything comes up. I know that there are at least two different products for animals, and if you have the reader for one, it won't pick up the other.

[Sniperfox]

Wouldn't it be easier to just hide another serial number somewhere inside the weapon instead of some hi-tech gizmo?

[sniper1]

Wouldn't it be easier to just hide another serial number somewhere inside the weapon instead of some hi-tech gizmo?

Nothing stays hidden forever.

[LaRue]

Am I correct in understanding, that the chip only stores information (i.e serial number, as said before) and can not be used as a tracking device?

I'll have to check my P2000 tonight when I get home.

[SJB]

Not to go completely into tinfoil hat land, but it's absolutely possible now to read RFIDs at a distance of 20 yards, which would put anything RFID-equipped in most people's homes at easy reach of mobile RFID readers in vehicles just randomly driving around the streets of your town scanning what people have in their homes.

[HarryCalahan1]

I wish Cueist and others would realize I wasn't being "Tin-Foil-ish" about my comments. Those chips can be tracked through satelites. It's a way to locate our Military men if they get lost but it doesn't bode well for gun owners or anyone who cares about freedom.

I would remove it from anything that had it. I'm not into playing Uncle Sam's games.

[quikz]

I wish Cueist and others would realize I wasn't being "Tin-Foil-ish" about my comments. Those chips can be tracked through satelites. It's a way to locate our Military men if they get lost but it doesn't bode well for gun owners or anyone who cares about freedom.

I would remove it from anything that had it. I'm not into playing Uncle Sam's games.

I understand "Dirty Harry's" ;) protestations and we all can see how this can go into MANY, MANY directions...most of which is NOT GOOD.

I assume states like....hmmmm.....CALIFORNIA, would be ALL OVER this thing and cause this plague to spread (into other states).

NONE of this is good. There are so many laws against legal gun owners, I do not see a law to protect legal gun owners from illegal search (enabled by RFID) or seizure (again enabled by RFID).

Next time you go shopping at a, shall we say MALL. You can be 'sniffed' on your way in and disarmed at the door or probably fined, even though you are a CCW in a free state. Many issues here....

[RRMan03]

Yes and not to be insulting but my Tin Foil Hat looks pretty good on me.Especially when I have my USP strapped right under it.RFID 's for Military,Border Patrol or other LE Agency fine. For other use it might be a little on the rights infrignment side. That is if we have any left.I reply because I care.

[dtheman]

Anyone remember on the news a few years ago when they installed RFID chips into a family for medical information storage. I remember they were trying to make it seem harmless and the next best thing, bu**sh**!

[lrrs1]

May not be long before they have devices installed on weapons to render them inop within a certain distance of whoever holds the key.....

[Gerber]

WHY???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are we back on this parnoid talk again? Is everyone freaking out now because they pulled the gun from Charlton Heston's, quiet literal, cold dead hand? I am sure to get burned for this, but I don't care. I am right. This is a rediculous conversation and should be ignored or until someone can explain to me what the big deal is as long as you are not doing anything illegal.

[Craiger]

Could it be from this?

Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System

3.7.6. Weapon Shot Counter. The JCP should have a weapon shot counter to record shots fired (O). The shot counter, if provided, shall have a data collection device that connects the shot counter to a computer. The shot counter, if provided, shall have a Microsoft compatible software program that works in conjunction with the shot counter and the data collection device to allow the weapon data to be downloaded and stored on a computer. The shot counter, if provided, shall not interfere with any operations of the JCP

JCP and CP Candidates
A large variety of .45 ACP pistols were entered into the competition. These include the Heckler & Koch HK45

[cueist]

That's it. This thread is being locked. One of the other Mods or Admins can open it back up again if they wish to.

This thread has gone far away from the topic of the RFID chip in the HK45C. It has also gone far away from topic of RFID chips in HK firearms.

This borad is for the discussion of HK weapon systems, not the discussion or debate about a government using RFID technology tracking systems, or the reasons for or against it.


cueist.