HK45 in California?

[Vin496]

Someone in the California State thread posted that the HK45 has passed the DoJ test and is now on the list. He posted on a California gun board months ago to have some inside knowledge of the gun being readies for the test.

To us in California, this is a huge news. No one seems to be able to confirm this though.

Does anyone here have any info that could be of help?

Thanks!

[Scooter]

It is NOT on the list. If it was approved and on the list, it would be on the list, but I just check the list and it is not on the list, until it shows up on the list, it is not on the list.

Until HK puts a stupid magazine disconnect on it, it won't be on the list along with any other new handgun HK comes out with. Blame you local politicians for passing the stupid law.

[MadMax2012]

A great example of how easy it is to spread a rumor and how easy it is for people to believe it.

Don't start or pass rumors. It's less than neighborly.

[Sobriquet]

What the heck is a magazine disconnect anyway? Does it prevent the gun from firing without a magazine in it?

At some point people need to just get real. Handguns are dangerous objects like cars. When someone is a bad driver and does something stupid, we don't say they need to redesign the car. All these "safety" features are unnecessary and unwanted with safe and proper firearms handling.

If someone drops a mag accidentally and then negligently discharges the weapon, they shouldn't have a gun. If someone drops a mag to do a tactical reload, they're smart enough to know the gun will go bang if you pull the trigger with one in the pipe. [/RANT]

[Scooter]

Mag disconnect makes gun no workie without a mag inserted.

It's like the stupid safety they put on cars where you have to step on the brakes before you can shift the car into R, N, and D.

[Sobriquet]

Mag disconnect makes gun no workie without a mag inserted.

It's like the stupid safety they put on cars where you have to step on the brakes before you can shift the car into R, N, and D.

That's yet another reason why you should drive a manual. I'll leave it at that - I used up my rant for the week.

[Scooter]

Manuals have a safety too. All new cars require pushing in the clutch before you can start the engine.

[Sobriquet]

Manuals have a safety too. All new cars require pushing in the clutch before you can start the engine.

Kind of like you needing to push in the trigger to fire? ;)

[hfd]

stupid people = stupid laws

[CrippledPidgeon]

Mag disconnect makes gun no workie without a mag inserted.

It's like the stupid safety they put on cars where you have to step on the brakes before you can shift the car into R, N, and D.

Well that's so that you don't drive into the nearest wall when you put the car into drive.

I think a mag disconnect is more like the key for the ignition. You can't drive the car without putting the key in. Or by hotwiring it. But that's cheating.

[Scooter]

They put the stupid safety on the car because of idiots that can't tell which pedal their foot is on.

If you think a mag disconnect is like a key to the ignition. You must be one of those people that support "smart" guns. Both of those are stupid things to have on a gun.

[tgkidwell]

I just purchased a 45c in CA yesterday. Is it different?

[Hughiee]

Did you purchase the hk 45c or the usp 45 compact? The new hk 45's are not on the doj list and not likely to be on the list for a while.

[tgkidwell]

HK45C in San Diego. I bought it yesterday for $800.00. I already bought a gun this month so I have to wait 25 more days. Is mine going to be any different because of Ca?

[CrippledPidgeon]

They put the stupid safety on the car because of idiots that can't tell which pedal their foot is on.

If you think a mag disconnect is like a key to the ignition. You must be one of those people that support "smart" guns. Both of those are stupid things to have on a gun.

I said it's like a key because it's not feasible to remove your gas tank to prevent people from driving away with your car, and it's not like anyone would bother installing a "safety" that checks to make sure that your gas tank is there before letting you start the engine.

Whereas with a key, you can start the engine when it's in, and not when the key isn't present. Sort of like a mag disconnect.

A true car without a "mag disconnect" would be a car that has no locks, no keys, and nothing that prevents the engine from starting when you press the gas pedal. If you find one in production, please tell me.

And actually, requiring the brake pedal to be depressed before starting the engine, and the lever to be on park is because an automatic goes into gear and will start moving without the gas pedal being depressed. Try it. Put on your brake, put the car into gear, and let go of the brake. The car will start moving.

This would be like putting the safety selector on "fire" and the gun goes into fully automatic without needing to touch the trigger.

HK45C in San Diego. I bought it yesterday for $800.00. I already bought a gun this month so I have to wait 25 more days. Is mine going to be any different because of Ca?

That's REALLY low for an HK45 of any type in CA. Most USED HK45s go for way over $1000 here. Was it used? Are you a LEO? Are you sure that's an HK45c and not an HK USP45c?

[nobody33]

HK45C in San Diego. I bought it yesterday for $800.00. I already bought a gun this month so I have to wait 25 more days. Is mine going to be any different because of Ca?

For $800 you got a HK USP 45c... I paid $975 for my HK45c in San Diego.. at the only shop that even had it (I bought as an LEO). The USP is still a good gun.

Even online the cheapest I have seen a HK45c in the "free" states is $850.

[tgkidwell]

no . HK45. I dumb but smart enough to know what I bought. Thanks for the comp...

[tgkidwell]

HK45C that is...they just went on sale.

[Sobriquet]

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but unless you're a member of law enforcement, you violated the law by purchasing one. The dealer that sold it to you can get in serious trouble, and you're likely to get a phone call asking you to return it.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

The HK45 and HK45c is not certified for sale to civilians in California as of right now. There was a dealer out in Palm Desert that was also selling them to civilians. He's since stopped.

How you proceed with this is your call. Sorry, bud.

[cmdrdredd]

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but unless you're a member of law enforcement, you violated the law by purchasing one. The dealer that sold it to you can get in serious trouble, and you're likely to get a phone call asking you to return it.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

The HK45 and HK45c is not certified for sale to civilians in California as of right now. There was a dealer out in Palm Desert that was also selling them to civilians. He's since stopped.

How you proceed with this is your call. Sorry, bud.

Can we all just vote for california to be disowned from the rest of the US? ;)

Kidding, but man I really feel sorry for you guys. No HK45, wait 30days between purchase, 10 rounds only...OUCH. I bought 2 guns in 2 weeks here in FL and both of which were guns you cannot legally buy in Cali. I feel for you :(:(

[Sobriquet]

Hey, CA's not all bad. It was by HKPro and some luck that I found out I needed to get my HK45 before moving to CA. As it is, I'd really like a P30, but now it's too late. I'm lucky the HK45 met the 10 round requirement.

This whole business of having different requirements in different states really ticks me off.

[tgkidwell]

I just got home. Ineed to eat some pie on this one. you guys know your s!@!#...

The guy at Turner' did'nt know the difference between an HK45 and a USP. I don't get my HK now. I'm pretty depressed about this and have my heart set on the HK45C. I'll have to buy the USP and wait for awhile. I'm sorry for the mistake. I usually don't blame other people for stuff but the guys at the store don't know much about HK products. It took nearly five minutes to get them to admit their are two HK 45's.

[Sobriquet]

I refuse to deal with Turner's. Their prices are usually high and their staff is usually either unfriendly or clueless - sometimes both.

I'm sorry you're having troubles. Either look into a private party transfer, an intra-familial transfer, or the USP. The P2000 is certified for sale in CA and has adjustable ergonomics like the P30/HK45. You could get that in either 9mm or 40 S&W. Whatever you decide, good luck.

[Hughiee]

HK 45 and 45c in Northern Cal priced at $950 for LEO purchase. The $800 price was too good to be true....

[tgkidwell]

Pivate party will be the way I'll look. On the hunt.... any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

HK45C is now my "Goal"!

thank you,

[tgkidwell]

Someone here is selling one for $910 and sent a PM that I'll bite. What do you think?

[Sobriquet]

I paid $820 for my HK45 from a well-known dealer in Texas that a lot of HKPRO people use. I've heard of people on this board paying around $900 for one in dealers outside of California.

If you like the gun and can afford the $100 premium, I don't think $920 is outrageous or even unfair. They WERE going for $2000 in California. That's nuts.

The HK45 fits my hand better than anything I've ever shot and has been extremely accurate and reliable thus far. You can order mags from out of state without a problem because they're only 10 rounds, so I say go for it. Should you decide you don't want to keep it, you won't have any shortage of buyers.

[cmdrdredd]

Someone here is selling one for $910 and sent a PM that I'll bite. What do you think?

That's not an entirely bad price really.

[Sobriquet]

There's a good gun store down your way, TG, in Orange County if you're willing to make the drive. It's either Abe's or Ade's if memory serves. They can handle the transfer for you.

The more I think about it, the better that price sounds. Enjoy your gun.

[tgkidwell]

I'm hoping "BobtheNailer" is a private party. It's posted for sell here at HKPRO for that price. I'm a serious buyer! No backing out of anything here. My word is all I have.

This sure would make for roller coaster but I see my depression lifting. I had no Idea what price to pay untill I met you guys. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks again!

[tgkidwell]

This looks like it's going to happen! I have never done this. I asked him to e-mail my e-mail and gave him my number.

I'd like to do this so we both make out on this and not get dogged like the other guy with UPS.

Any suggestions?

[NonConformist]

I just got home. Ineed to eat some pie on this one. you guys know your s!@!#...

The guy at Turner' did'nt know the difference between an HK45 and a USP. I don't get my HK now. I'm pretty depressed about this and have my heart set on the HK45C. I'll have to buy the USP and wait for awhile. I'm sorry for the mistake. I usually don't blame other people for stuff but the guys at the store don't know much about HK products. It took nearly five minutes to get them to admit their are two HK 45's.

Dont feel bad, i had a similar issue when trying to get pricing for a HK45, they kept confusing it w. the USP 45 and even when I explained it most were clueless, its really amazing how some of these guys stay in business :170000:

That's not an entirely bad price really.

Mine (which is on it way) was like $850! :-)

[MadMax2012]

tgkidwell,

Something tells me this "private party" is a resident of a state other than California.

In which case it is NOT legal to do that.

The private party transfer being referred to for CA is from a CA resident who has an HK45 or HK45c and who wants to sell it.

Those people selling it have come into possession of it in one of two ways. They just moved to CA but purchased an HK45c before they did... or they are an LEO in CA.

I'm not a lawyer so read up on the laws. It's worth knowing these laws in depth in order to maintain your right to continue owning firearms (ie. commit a felony even inadvertently and you will never even own a .22lr again)

[tgkidwell]

I read this as it being legal. What do you think?

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in [BCalifornia by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.[/B]

[Sobriquet]

tgkidwell,

Something tells me this "private party" is a resident of a state other than California.

In which case it is NOT legal to do that.

The private party transfer being referred to for CA is from a CA resident who has an HK45 or HK45c and who wants to sell it.

Those people selling it have come into possession of it in one of two ways. They just moved to CA but purchased an HK45c before they did... or they are an LEO in CA.

I'm not a lawyer so read up on the laws. It's worth knowing these laws in depth in order to maintain your right to continue owning firearms (ie. commit a felony even inadvertently and you will never even own a .22lr again)

+1. Must be CA resident to CA resident. The transfer, if memory serves, must be done with both parties physically present at the FFL. The good people of Calguns.net should be able to assist you.

Word to the wise? If you contact the CA DoJ, don't trust what they say. Read up on it for yourself. If I had followed their advice in the past, I'd have complied with CA law and committed a federal felony. Not good times. Take this slow and do your research. It's better to wait a week and not end up in an orange jumpsuit.

[NonConformist]

Sounds legal to me due to the last clause!

[MadMax2012]

Bottom line tgkidwell.

The only way for you to legally own an HK45 or an HK45c in the state of CA is for you to purchase it in a "private party transfer" from another resident of CA.

That is why there has been a premium price of near $2,000 for them there. Low supply because the only civilians who have them just moved there recently... and CA LEOs are the least likely to sell them once they get them.

Go to http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=66 and start educating yourself on the laws that affect your firearm ownership in CA.

[tgkidwell]

You have been "right" all day. Why would I do anything else? I'll run this buy American Shooting Center here in S.D. and get back. I should be speaking with the seller tomorrow. I plan on doing this right. Running most everything by you guys anyway. How can I go wrong?

hope this works out...


No Orange Jumpsuits please ?

[Sobriquet]

HKPro is a fantastic resource for all things Heckler & Koch, but it does not specialize in California specific issues - particularly the complex gun laws of the state. Go over to Calguns and do some research. It's a free board as well.

I'd advise you to read everything carefully and take this slow. Remember that ignorance of the law is not a defense and that these boards are not a substitute for good legal advice.

Don't let the seriousness of this scare you out of getting the gun you want - just be careful to do it the right way. It's possible to own an HK45 in California - legally- if you follow the rules.

Good luck.

[tgkidwell]

I'm taking your advice here and everyone elses too.I'm Doing this thing legally. I have a buddy that could pay off some Golf debts. My lawyer can help me and the rest the gang on these Democrat Rulings, to found out what we have to do to buy a gun from another state or if not, buy one from this state for a whhooolle lot more. but, It'l be worth it for me.

Thanks every one!

Don't worry about scaring me please... I'm the guy with experience in my world but here, I listen to good advice and I cannot fear straight forward advice.

Till we meet again.

[stuck_in_kali]

tgkidwell,

There's a private party HK45c forsale right now in Orange County
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=96637

I chatted with him and he seems like a good guy.

I'm also in San Diego and I bought mine for more than the $1400 (from nobody33 actually) - but it was worth it to me not to have to make 2 trips to O.C.

People outside of CA have no idea what we have to deal with here :720:
(I'm from Pennsylvania, but won't be moving out of CA anytime soon for a bunch of different reasons, including my S/Os career.)

I'm not real happy about having to pay so much for it, but I don't see that many for sale and the market will bear what it will. It's nice having an option to do it at all. For example if I could pay a 50% premium to have a normal "black rifle", instead of crippling it - I'd probably do it.