Glock 17 VS P30

[CyberH&K]

I went to my LGS/Range last Thurs. I put another 150 rounds thru my P30. I was standing near the Glock counter to see what they had that was close to the P30 in 9mm. The guy showed me the Glock 17. I held the Glock 17. But it no way fits my hand like my P30.

[coolhand]

I do have both. it's like comparing apple & orange.

[terrible1one3]

I would say that they are a very relevant comparison... Both Polymer pistols, similar mag capacity, same caliber... I think the 3 main differences are, trigger, ergonomics, and price Other than that if someone was looking for a 9mm duty weapon why wouldn't they compare both the HK P30 and a Glock 17 or 19?

[tulsamal]

It isn't really a "fair" comparison for two reasons. One, age of design. I first read about the G17 in a 1985 issue of SOF. So the P30 really should be better since they have all the design work done since then to draw on. Two, the price difference. You see G17 NIB on sale for well under $500. Really nice used ones for $350-$400.

Do I think the P30 is "better" than the G17? I would have to say yes. If I was the Police Chief of the Tulsa Police Department and I wanted to outfit my entire department with new guns, would I go with the P30? I would do some trials with my own troops but the price difference would probably still make me go with Glocks. $50 a gun is something you can work around. $200++ per gun is just too much of a difference to ignore. And that's before we even consider buying spare mags! Can you imagine the price difference between buying 500 Glock 17 mags versus 500 P30 mags?!?!

Gregg

[spyder1439]

some departments actually make the cops buy their own duty weapon this way it cuts down on department costs but they still tell them what gun they have to buy. they dont care about the officer's opinion of the gun that will most likely be used if they are involved in a shooting. all they care about is the price tag.

i like the way other states do things where cops can carry what ever gun they want as long as they qual with it. that would be all i needed to hear and i would have a different gun each day i worked.

And shame on Hk also cuz glock gives great deals to LE agencies that want to outfit their department. they drop their prices dramatically for bulk purchases. HK says we're HK, No Compromises, No Deals and thats why many departments are going glock.

[Sobriquet]

If the design dates from 1985, Glock has had a chance to amortize a lot of the R&D costs, plus whatever fixed costs go into making a gun, over the product run. They can now offer the pistol at a lower price.

The P30's brand new. I can imagine that HK doesn't want to discount it too much when they can sell all their production capacity at higher prices. Now the USP was introduced in 1993, so I'd imagine they should be able to offer similar discounts on that line were they so inclined.

The whole discussion is speculative because I have no idea what production capacities the two companies have. I'd also think HK will be in a better position to offer LE discounts after they move production of certain guns to the US.

In watching that DEA show on Spike, I've been amazed at just how dominant Glocks are with their agents. I *THINK* I saw the grip of one USP, but I couldn't be sure.

Police agencies, to at least some degree, look to the military when making their equipment decisions. I'd imagine when (if?) the military finally decides to get rid of the M9 pistol and moves back to a .45, police agencies might start to move away from Glocks. I've never owned one, but from what I've read, they seem to kB a lot more frequently in calibers other than 9mm.

[SIGtrarian]

And shame on Hk also cuz glock gives great deals to LE agencies that want to outfit their department. they drop their prices dramatically for bulk purchases. HK says we're HK, No Compromises, No Deals and thats why many departments are going glock.Now wait just a minute. Doesn't H&K throw in an extra magazine for law enforcement purchases?

[cmdrdredd]

Now wait just a minute. Doesn't H&K throw in an extra magazine for law enforcement purchases?

Friend of mine just bought a SIg P226 and it came with 3 mags standard, so...

[Mark71]

Now wait just a minute. Doesn't H&K throw in an extra magazine for law enforcement purchases?

Yeah they come with factory nightsights (mepros) and three magazines. It would be nice though if they offered a price discount on their firearms like Glock does.

[Scooter]

P30 is more of a Glock 19 than a 17. The 17 has a longer barrel and higher capacity. In terms of technology, just because the P30 was designed recently doesn't mean it is better. The 1911 was designed 100 years ago, yet it is still in service.

It hard to compete against Glock in terms of pricing. They have built over 2 MILLION pistols. HK can't even come close to that figure. The more you build, the less it cost per unit.

[cmdrdredd]

P30 is more of a Glock 19 than a 17. The 17 has a longer barrel and higher capacity. In terms of technology, just because the P30 was designed recently doesn't mean it is better. The 1911 was designed 100 years ago, yet it is still in service.

It hard to compete against Glock in terms of pricing. They have built over 2 MILLION pistols. HK can't even come close to that figure. The more you build, the less it cost per unit.

I'm sure that at this point there's very little cost to Glock for each pistol made either. HK still has to recoup R&D cost etc.

[Scooter]

In most cases, NRE cost have been recouped with the first major order.

[SIGtrarian]

Friend of mine just bought a SIg P226 and it came with 3 mags standard, so...I have an all stainless P226ST that came with 3 magazines and night sights that was an LE over run.

[cmdrdredd]

I have an all stainless P226ST that came with 3 magazines and night sights that was an LE over run.

Brand new in the box never fired (except test firing) Sig P226 Navy with Heinie Straight 8 sights came with 3 mags.

I don't know if that's the norm for SIG. I don't own one.

[gemo]

glock also has a LE package that comes with NS and 3 mags, I thought?

[Cadillac Johnson]

The P30 isn't exactly a brand new design.

It's an updated P2000.

The P30 is to the P2000 as the G21SF is to the G21.

There are some other minor upgrades with the P30, but there's not THAT much of additional R&D costs that need to be recouped.

HK's will always be more expensive than they probly should be, that's to be expected when you hop on the HK Express.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Both the Glock 19 and the P30 shoot great and doing draw drills with them is a blast! The first shot DA pull on the P30 doesn't bother me at all.

[P7M8]

I got rid of my P30 due to my thumb riding the slide release preventing the slide from locking back. I replaced it with a G17. I already have ergonomically correct guns in the HK45 and HK45C, and the trigger reset on the P30 leaves a lot to be desired.

I wanted a high cap, 9mm "OH S#!T" gun in the collection. It won't get carried much but will be used in IDPA. The mags are cheap and I have a boatload. And...if the Glock goes sliding across the pavement, I won't care. If I had a P30 that did the same I'd really be pissed.

[FChen17213]

I don't have the P30 yet, but plan on getting one sometime in the summer. That being said, I do own an HK45 and numerous other HK pistols. I also have a trusty Glock 17 that I use and abuse. The Glock has proved, accurate, reliable, and not let me down. Yes, the grip of the P30 feels better in the hand. The P30 is probably better built and built to tighter tolerances. It might be more accurate too. However, the Glock gets the job done too. I stomp on my Glock mags. I drop them at matches. I rinse them in the creek. I'm not worried when my Glock gets muddy and wet. I can't say the same for an HK. Yes, the HK could handle it all like a Glock can. However, due to the cost of the gun, most of us would be pissed and heartbroken if we treated our P30s the way we treat our Glocks.

[xray 99]

Several years ago, my agency (corrections) looked at the Glock 17/19 and the SIG 229. The Glock with night sights and three mags was $426. The SIG
with the same set up was $599.00. Back then, that was a case of practice ammo or so between the two.

[spyder1439]

glocks are reliable and cheaper i think in order for hk to win over the majority of le agencies they have to either beat glocks price or throw in a great package deal cuz departments only see $$$$$$.

[Mark71]

After shooting both my P30 and Glock 19 side by side this afternoon it would be a hard choice deciding between the two.

[cmdrdredd]

I don't have the P30 yet, but plan on getting one sometime in the summer. That being said, I do own an HK45 and numerous other HK pistols. I also have a trusty Glock 17 that I use and abuse. The Glock has proved, accurate, reliable, and not let me down. Yes, the grip of the P30 feels better in the hand. The P30 is probably better built and built to tighter tolerances. It might be more accurate too. However, the Glock gets the job done too. I stomp on my Glock mags. I drop them at matches. I rinse them in the creek. I'm not worried when my Glock gets muddy and wet. I can't say the same for an HK. Yes, the HK could handle it all like a Glock can. However, due to the cost of the gun, most of us would be pissed and heartbroken if we treated our P30s the way we treat our Glocks.

We wouldn't all treat our glocks like that either.

[SpeedFreek]

I came second (SECOND!!) in our departmental shooting competition because they wouldnt let me shoot my USP9 at the very last minute.. it was a tie breaker in the end. head shots at 40 yards. They made me shoot with a glock17 (service sidearm). all my shots went low. With my USP i'd have easily won. stupid stupid glock pistols. :90: stupid grip angle.. like it wants to fall off barrel end from the hand..

i'm not bashing glocks without reason. I just want to let off steam. My USP would never have been unfaithful to me. It never has. And i know it never will.

[FChen17213]

One thing I really hate about the Glock is that once you get used to the grip angle, you're not pointing well with other guns. If I shoot nothing but Glocks for a few months, and then bring out a Sig or HK, I start pointing the gun weird. I end up having to consistently adjust my grip and look for the front sight. That's not good.

[cmdrdredd]

One thing I really hate about the Glock is that once you get used to the grip angle, you're not pointing well with other guns. If I shoot nothing but Glocks for a few months, and then bring out a Sig or HK, I start pointing the gun weird. I end up having to consistently adjust my grip and look for the front sight. That's not good.

Practice with what you protect with.

[notenoughtime3]

IMHO, it really depends on your budget.

For the price of a P30, you could easily buy a G19 + mags, holster, ect.

Personally, I love HK's but Glock makes building a complete platform much easier.

[AaronUSP]

IMHO, it really depends on your budget.

For the price of a P30, you could easily buy a G19 + mags, holster, ect.

Personally, I love HK's but Glock makes building a complete platform much easier.

If you think about it, you are really settling for less of a gun with a Glock. I trust in Glock and think they do what they are intended but, the new HK's are far superior to the Glocks in so many different ways. This is in no way inflammatory of the Glocks BTW. It's just a better weapon system period.

[P7M8]

If you think about it, you are really settling for less of a gun with a Glock. I trust in Glock and think they do what they are intended but, the new HK's are far superior to the Glocks in so many different ways. This is in no way inflammatory of the Glocks BTW. It's just a better weapon system period.

Why is that? Aside from ergonomics and other refinements how is the HK any more reliable than the Glock? If you trust in Glock then I would think you would trust it to defend your life. Both guns will go boom when you want them to. Both guns are safe, well made and carry lots of rounds. I appreciate the refinement, fit and finish of an HK firearm but am perfectly happy with my G17. It comes down to personal preference.

I own and have owned more P7s than all the Glocks I've ever had combined. And there are more HK firearms in my collection than any other gun. I say that to state that I'm not a Glock cheerleader nor am I anti-HK (wouldn't be here if I was). Just stating that when it comes to reliability either is a good choice.

[BytorJr]

Glock does have a 45 that comes in a more traditional grip angle. But I too cannot shot a Glock well, unless it's a G17. G19 and G26 don't do it for me. Grip angle is more easily compensated for with the 17 I reckon.

I picked up a buddies G19, couldn't hit crap with it until I adjusted. Then I picked up his Rohrbaugh and shot lights out (considering I'd never shot it and it'd been a long time since I'd been to the range). That says enough to me. That when the chips are down, a more traditional grip angle wins. Even revolvers are similar in "pointability." Just my 0.02.

I guess if you'd never shot anything else, and never plan on shooting anything else, a Glock may work. I just don't feel comfortable with them from a pointing standpoint. To each his own though...if it works for you, continue.

[CyberH&K]

glocks are reliable and cheaper i think in order for hk to win over the majority of le agencies they have to either beat glocks price or throw in a great package deal cuz departments only see $$$$$$.

Glocks going up in price 41% CDNN

[Mark71]

Glocks going up in price 41% CDNN

Only the magazines are going up in price.

[CyberH&K]

I stand corrected. I missed read my email. Thanks Mark71 for pointing that out.

[spyder1439]

the one area that glocks beat out most other guns is the magazine capacity. i think the only glock hk beats out in mag capacity is the glock 36 which holds 6 rounds of 45 auto compared to the hk45c which holds 8 rounds.
magazine capacity is not everything when selecting a firearm but it is important. the sig 239 is a great gun but only carries 7 rounds of 357sig in the mag - for me thats not enough. if im in a gun fight and survive long enough to get to the point of running out of ammo, it comes down to the first guy to be shot or run out of bullets is the loser. if you gotta reload first you give the other guy a free shot at you.

[givo08]

the one area that glocks beat out most other guns is the magazine capacity. i think the only glock hk beats out in mag capacity is the glock 36 which holds 6 rounds of 45 auto compared to the hk45c which holds 8 rounds.
magazine capacity is not everything when selecting a firearm but it is important. the sig 239 is a great gun but only carries 7 rounds of 357sig in the mag - for me thats not enough. if im in a gun fight and survive long enough to get to the point of running out of ammo, it comes down to the first guy to be shot or run out of bullets is the loser. if you gotta reload first you give the other guy a free shot at you.

The Glock 36 isn't a fair comparison b/c it's a single stack gun, much shorter in the grip and much thinner than the 45c and holds 6 rounds. The G30 is also shorter in the grip than the 45c and still slightly thinner and it holds 10 rounds...

[spyder1439]

true but the point i was trying to make is that glocks are smaller guns and still hold more rounds than hk. maybe its just me but if glock can do it than why the heck is hk not doing it? since the hk 45c is bigger than the glock 30 then shouldnt it hold equal to or more than the glocks 10 rounds instead of just 8?

[Raufoss]

the one area that glocks beat out most other guns is...

The other two areas that Glock beats out the other pistols are...

Replacement parts for the Glock are half the cost of HK parts including magazines.

The Glock can be completely disassembled with a toothpick (figuratively).

I wouldn't trade one for the other though.

[steelshooter]

It's pretty hard to say anything bad about the Glock 17 or 19 and I like the 21 FS too. The .40 Glocks not so much although I've put a lot of rounds through them. But cost is not a factor for me in what pistol I CCW or protect my house with and I run gun games with what I use for SD. I'm not going to worry if my HK's get scratched or dirty. They can take it. I prefer the ergonomics, trigger, and out of the box accuracy of my HK's.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

A hammer is a hammer. It doesn't need to look pretty to hit nails with. Such is the Glock. ;)

[Mouseboy]

Think AK47 (Glock 17) versus HK416 (HK45)

[spyder1439]

i agree when it comes to your life price is not an option. i also like the feel and how hks shoot over the glocks. after shooting my p2ksk for the first time i almost sold my glock.

[Levan9X19]

I always liked Glocks because they are so simple, and is also very simple to fully disasemble handgun and do some maintenance. but for as for the man who is paying a lot of money for a handgun I prefer H&K`s because they are of better quality and also much better investment.

ofcourse situation in my homeland is very much different from situation in usa for ex. but nevertheless h&k`s rate more than glock`s.

as to shooting, they both shoot well and provide excellent ergonomics, reliable and accurate.

[Greg Bell]

In my experience Glock firearms are more problematic than H&Ks. Now, whether four or five malfunctions over 10,000 rounds is worth $300 extra is up to you. Obviously, the current generation H&Ks are much more ergonomic and have better thought-out controls, but again, is it worth $300?

Clearly, the extra money wasn't a deal-breaker for me. But, hell, I bought them both because I am a gun nut.

IF, for some reason I could only have one handgun, it would be an H&K. In a world without brownells, H&K is king.

[spyder1439]

hks are nice and if i had all the money in the world i would buy every single hk ever made. unfortunately that is not the case so i think the next gun i buy may be something less expensive unless i can get a great deal on a used uspc.

[cmdrdredd]

I just prefer how my P30 feels over the G17 I sold. I liked the Glock, but it was worth the upgrade to me. Much more comfortable and I think the P30 points more naturally for me as well.

[Greg Bell]

whoops! wrong window

[cmdrdredd]

185 gr. JHP @1300 fps (694 ft. lbs.)


Let me tell you, this stuff is HOT! No double taps. :)

wrong thread? heh

[steelshooter]

I bought a new Glock 19 for a trip I was going on and when I got back bought a P30. I went out and put 200 rounds through the P30, came home and sold the Glock to a friend. The Glock 19 is a heckuva pistol but the P30 is a couple notches higher IMHO.

I just prefer how my P30 feels over the G17 I sold. I liked the Glock, but it was worth the upgrade to me. Much more comfortable and I think the P30 points more naturally for me as well.

[steelshooter]

Whenever I bought a Glock I added night sights, got a trigger job, extended slide release and by that time was up a couple hundred anyway. An HK that is good to go out of the box is only a little more.

In my experience Glock firearms are more problematic than H&Ks. Now, whether four or five malfunctions over 10,000 rounds is worth $300 extra is up to you. Obviously, the current generation H&Ks are much more ergonomic and have better thought-out controls, but again, is it worth $300?

Clearly, the extra money wasn't a deal-breaker for me. But, hell, I bought them both because I am a gun nut.

IF, for some reason I could only have one handgun, it would be an H&K. In a world without brownells, H&K is king.

[Kost]

Had a G22, it shot great at 50ft - the violent reset of the trigger by the slide made the trigger finger sore in 50 rounds...I sold it

P30 would be my choice

[spyder1439]

yeah i get a blister on my finger from hitting the bottom of the trigger guard after i shoot my glock 23 for a while. thats why i like my p2ksk - no blisters

[CyberH&K]

Whenever I bought a Glock I added night sights, got a trigger job, extended slide release and by that time was up a couple hundred anyway. An HK that is good to go out of the box is only a little more.

That's what I was going to do when I looked at the Glocks. The P30 had everything I wanted without adding to it. Plus it felt better in my hand. So there's no looking back. Now that I owe the first of many HKs.

[Hoplite]

I do have both. it's like comparing apple & orange.


Same. While I love my Glock and it has served me faithfully for the last several years, the P30 is light years ahead in ergonomics and finish.

[YVK]

I'll throw a voice of dissent here: while neither one is my choice in 9 mm platform, I prefer Glock 19 over P30 on account of my trigger preference. In addition, I have ergonomic issues with both so it is a wash ergo-wise for me.

[stmoore]

Are you a lefty? I had a P30 and thought it was great, minus the damn decocker on the back right side.

I like glocks. I view them as the AK of the handgun world ... this is good and bad for obvious reasons. They do not seem nearly as refined as the HK, but they always go bang --- and for less!

I'll throw a voice of dissent here: while neither one is my choice in 9 mm platform, I prefer Glock 19 over P30 on account of my trigger preference. In addition, I have ergonomic issues with both so it is a wash ergo-wise for me.

[YVK]

Are you a lefty? I had a P30 and thought it was great, minus the damn decocker on the back right side.


No, I am right-handed. I have no issues with decocker. I do like grip on P30 a lot. The ergo issue I was referring to was accidentally engaging that large slide release lever with my support hand thumb. I truly think they oversized it just a bit too much.

[ulose2]

My first 3 polymer hand guns were Glocks 20,21 & 22. (The unsupported chambers of glocks is a down fall)The only 1 I regreted selling was the 10mm. I as well look upon glocks as the AK 47 of hand guns, However the same reasons I choose HKs relates to ARs. Ergos, accuracy and fit. The P30 wins with out a second thought!!!!!

[Mark71]

My first 3 polymer hand guns were Glocks 20,21 & 22. (The unsupported chambers of glocks is a down fall)

The Glock 9mm models have fully supported chambers ;).

Other then the comfortable grip, IMO there isn't much that the P30 offers over the Glock 19/17 (and I LOVE my P30). The tennifer finish is much better then HK's and one of the best finishes on any firearm. Also the Glock trigger is better and easier to shoot more accurate and much faster (the short reset is great). Its also nice getting my NIB 3rd-Gen Glock 19 with 5 highcap mags for $460 :).

When it comes to a 9mm handgun the Glocks are VERY hard to beat.

[HKawakening]

I spent 4 days in Eureka, MT training with Tactical Response in their "fighting pistol" and "advanced fighting pistol" class. I purchased my P30, in part, knowing I was going to embark on training and wanted something I would both carry and train with and the P30 fit the bill.

I have never cared much for Glock, mainly because I don't like the grip angle but I do believe them to be an awesome all around weapon. There were 3 H&K's in this class, 3 Glocks, 3 Sigs, an XD, a CZ and even a taurus. Oh..and one Kimber CDP my brother shot.

My P30 performed marvelously, my malfunctions had to do with ammo, not the gun and I had a few. The Glocks never malfunction, not once. I knew that would be the case.

At the end of the class, a few of us through our pistols in the dirt and kick some on them. My malfunctioned because a rock lodged in my hammer mechanism, once I cleared that rock, it functioned fine.

This is where I became a fan any striker fired weapon, no hammer mechanism. But I will still carry my P30 exclusively.

Both guns are great, each for different reasons..apples and oranges like many have said.

[SIGtrarian]

The Glock 9mm models have fully supported chambers ;).

Other then the comfortable grip, IMO there isn't much that the P30 offers over the Glock 19/17 (and I LOVE my P30). The tennifer finish is much better then HK's and one of the best finishes on any firearm. Also the Glock trigger is better and easier to shoot more accurate and much faster (the short reset is great). Its also nice getting my NIB 3rd-Gen Glock 19 with 5 highcap mags for $460 :).

When it comes to a 9mm handgun the Glocks are VERY hard to beat.Tennifer isn't a finish, it's a metal treatment similar to H&K's. If you scrape the black off of a Glock slide (some type of exotic paint?) the tennifer remains but looks, is, bare metal.

[cmdrdredd]

The Glock 9mm models have fully supported chambers ;).

Other then the comfortable grip, IMO there isn't much that the P30 offers over the Glock 19/17 (and I LOVE my P30). The tennifer finish is much better then HK's and one of the best finishes on any firearm. Also the Glock trigger is better and easier to shoot more accurate and much faster (the short reset is great). Its also nice getting my NIB 3rd-Gen Glock 19 with 5 highcap mags for $460 :).

When it comes to a 9mm handgun the Glocks are VERY hard to beat.

The grip angle and how it feels in your hand is enough for me.

[bullwinkle229]

My new P30 was $ $ 767, or 239 bucks more that a Glock 19, my second choice. (Thanks, Buds Guns). The grip on the Glock was sorta OK, the P30 fantastic. The P30 was easier for me to shoot and very accurate. For me it was the best choice and a small price to pay to defend my life if necessary. Why not buy the best? I buy a used corvette every 5 years or so, drive it maybe 12000 miles and sell it for very near what I paid 5 years prior. Same with my current used Harley. And if I sell my NEW P30 in a few years for $ 500. -550 the cost of ownership is extremely low and inconsequential, maybe $ 7. bucks a month if I sell it in 3 years. All I'm saying is with certain purchases it pays to buy the best 'cause in the long run it costs the least!!!!

[spyder1439]

absolutely. you get what you pay for in life.

[Chui]

I adore the P30 but the Glock is a faster pistol. It depends on what you're looking for. Pure fighting pistol: Glock.

[cmdrdredd]

I adore the P30 but the Glock is a faster pistol. It depends on what you're looking for. Pure fighting pistol: Glock.

If you practice it doesn't even matter.

[Greg Bell]

Exactly. I can shoot my Hk45, 1911s, P2000 and Glocks equally well. It is, with relatively few exceptions, the shooter that makes the difference. Top-drawer shooters like Earnest Langdon and Bruce Grey have shown this to be true again and again by competing and winning with guns that didn't fit the mold of "fast" guns (such as SIGs and HKs). Frankly, any serious handgun manufacturer could hire one of the top shooters and become competitive or win almost immediately.

I think peoples primary focus should be on reliability above everything else. That is why the Glock 9mm is a good choice. Glocks started out with a fair amount of bugs, but 20+ years of development has made the current Glock 17 a great, reliable blaster. The only thing that might sway me towards the HK P2000/P30 is the ergonomics of these guns. The P2000 is, IME, more reliable than the Glock 19 and has a better grip. It also isn't susceptible to some of the quirks of the Glock short guns like erratic ejection, etc. The P2000 is also available in .40 and .357, calibers for which the Glock guns are, in the opinions some well-respected experts, non-starters. The P30 has a much butter grip than the 17, but the Glock grip is acceptable. On the other hand, the P30 is really more of a Glock 19 style gun. Between the G19 and the P30 I would go with the P30 every time. Still, it looks like Glock is finally going to fix the Glock grip according to their displays at various Euro trade shows.

Anyway, it is hard to beat the Glock 17. It is basically the king of the service 9mms. As you move away from that model, the Glocks rapidly become less attractive.

[TomN]

I also like the Glock 17 and 19s. I've owned a lot of Glocks in 9mm, .40, and .45 and I like the 9mms the most out of the bunch. That being said, I'm really liking the P30 a lot more at the moment. The only issue I have with the P30 is the trigger, but with training that eventually becomes a moot point anyway. I'd choose the P30 if I had a choice.

[Rayden]

And...if the Glock goes sliding across the pavement, I won't care. If I had a P30 that did the same I'd really be pissed.

The trick is to get two P30s :D

[Greg Bell]

"Glock, the only gun that comes out of the box with zero pride of ownership."

Ken Hackathorn

[voiceinhouston]

I am so greatful for this thread!! I am currently selling my G22 because I own a usp .45 and a 1911 also in .45 and with the price of ammo these days it was getting way too expensive to go to the range. So my next purchase was going to be a glock 9mm or p30. The only reason I considered the glock was the price but then I remember the dissapoinment of when I first shot it. Anyways my mind is made up now! pay the extra and be happy instead of settling.

[madmardigan]

I adore the P30 but the Glock is a faster pistol. It depends on what you're looking for. Pure fighting pistol: Glock.

If you practice it doesn't even matter.

Glock has the lowest bore axis besides a P7. Trigger reset is a lot faster. So yeah technically it's a much faster and more controllable pistol.

[Greg Bell]

OMG!!!!!

BORE AXIS!!!!!
:17:

[Greg Bell]

voiceinhouston,

Good choice. You really want to avoid the G22 if possible.

[madmardigan]

OMG!!!!!

BORE AXIS!!!!!
:17:


Yeah it's simple physics. What's so funny about it.

[GARY1911A1]

I'm waiting on the HK30L myself as I have the P2000 in 9MM already and the 30L longer slide will fill a void I feel I have.:) I do shoot the Glock17 in GSSF Matches, but with the safety on the trigger I'd never carry one. With rule #3 to keep your finger off the safety the Glocks to me are like carring a 1911 with the thumb safety off and the grip safety pined down.

[robert14]

I'm waiting on the HK30L myself as I have the P2000 in 9MM already and the 30L longer slide will fill a void I feel I have.:) I do shoot the Glock17 in GSSF Matches, but with the safety on the trigger I'd never carry one. With rule #3 to keep your finger off the safety the Glocks to me are like carring a 1911 with the thumb safety off and the grip safety pined down.
I consider the Glock safety similar in function to the internal ones on modern revolvers. They are not designed to lock up the action, but to prevent the pistol from going off if dropped, etc.

[spyder1439]

i have a glock 23 and never had any problems with it. it shoots for me everytime and is pretty accurate. however when i compare shooting it to my p2ksk the hk blows it out of the water in comfort.

[Greg Bell]

Mad,

Yeah it's simple physics. What's so funny about it.

I was just funnin' with yah. Bruce Gray and even Dave Sevigny have commented on how "bore-axis" has become so overrated as an all-important design configuration. Basically, they both say that it is a factor, but a relatively minor one in shot recovery. It is an inside joke at my range when some guy comes in and says how important "bore-axis" is. We always look at each other and yell "OMG BORE-AXIS!!!!!!"

[GARY1911A1]

Mad,



I was just funnin' with yah. Bruce Gray and even Dave Sevigny have commented on how "bore-axis" has become so overrated as an all-important design configuration. Basically, they both say that it is a factor, but a relatively minor one in shot recovery. It is an inside joke at my range when some guy comes in and says how important "bore-axis" is. We always look at each other and yell "OMG BORE-AXIS!!!!!!"

I agree. Target transitions, movement, mag reloading, course strategy, and not making mistakes is what really matters, but it still seems to take a long time for that front sight to come back down.:)

[cmdrdredd]

Glock has the lowest bore axis besides a P7. Trigger reset is a lot faster. So yeah technically it's a much faster and more controllable pistol.

LOL...so what? PRACTICE!!!!!

do I need to repeat... PRACTICE! What's that? Oh well, go shoot, dry fire etc etc

You will get good with ANY pistol if you P-R-A-C-T-I-C-E!

Don't tell me you're expecting people to buy a Glock and go out with no practice being able to shoot 2" groups the first day. I'd be afraid of people who think they can CCW without practice presentation drills.

Again, ANY gun can be learned. I don't buy HKs because "OMG dude you can just point and pull the trigger (glock sales pitch)" or "DUDE it's got a low bore axis...it's so much easier" :rolleyes:

[s2000ap1]

I just shot my P30 and my friends new Glock 17 yesterday.

For the sake of argument, it must be said that both of us are new to pistols. I've been shooting for about 4 months now (have proably 1500 rounds through my P30) and my friend just got into pistols -- he shoots mainly skeet.

The main difference I felt as a 'rookie' shooter was that the Glock 17 was 'softer'. Softer trigger, softer felt recoil, 'softer' weight. It even felt like it was made softer. What does that mean? It is hard to put into words, but it just felt less substantial than the P30.

Yes weight might have something to do with it, but the build quality just seemed different. Like the difference between a Honda Civic and VW GTI.

Performance-wise: I shot both about the same, though I was more consistent with the P30, but I'll mark that up to just being familiar with it. I'm sure I could shoot equally as good with the Glock if I had more time behind it.

However, I personally felt like I could control the P30 better and that it was more agile. Contrary to what some of said here about the Glock being 'faster'.. to me, being fast means I have to be comfortable with the gun, it has to feel like its an extension of me.. and nothing compares to the P30 in that regards for me (I also own a USPf and a USP Expert and have fired various guns from Sig to Taurus.. the P30 is just perfect in ergonomics).

So anyway, to me the P30 was the sports car whereas the Glock was the family car. The family car might be easier to get into and drive, but the sports car is ultimately the more fun once you learn how to drive it. That is how I see it.

Oh and just subjectively -- the P30 looks more bad-ass:)

BTW-- my friend liked my USP Expert so much he put an order in for one today.

-C

[steelshooter]

People are probably referring to the Glock trigger reset being shorter and more distinct so therefore faster on quick follow-up rounds.

[madmardigan]

LOL...so what? PRACTICE!!!!!

do I need to repeat... PRACTICE! What's that? Oh well, go shoot, dry fire etc etc

You will get good with ANY pistol if you P-R-A-C-T-I-C-E!

Don't tell me you're expecting people to buy a Glock and go out with no practice being able to shoot 2" groups the first day. I'd be afraid of people who think they can CCW without practice presentation drills.

Again, ANY gun can be learned. I don't buy HKs because "OMG dude you can just point and pull the trigger (glock sales pitch)" or "DUDE it's got a low bore axis...it's so much easier" :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to argue about which ones better. I'm just saying that theoretically the Glock would stay on target better because of faster trigger reset, grip angle, and bore axis. Both are great guns.

[cmdrdredd]

I'm not trying to argue about which ones better. I'm just saying that theoretically the Glock would stay on target better because of faster trigger reset, grip angle, and bore axis. Both are great guns.

Actually the P30 grip angle allows the pistol to be pointed more naturally than the Glock. Like I said however, that can be learned through practice.

Both would work fine for whatever you needed. I have HK because I believe that German engineering is the best in the world and the P30 feels better than anything else.

[Greg Bell]

OMG!!! GRIP ANGLE!!!:5:

[steelshooter]

I've never had an issue with the Glock grip angle. In fact I prefer it because it feels more natural to me with arms, or arm, extended. Then again I'm a long time 1911 guy who likes, even prefers, polymer pistols.

[steelshooter]

Its all up to the shooter.

I'm not trying to argue about which ones better. I'm just saying that theoretically the Glock would stay on target better because of faster trigger reset, grip angle, and bore axis. Both are great guns.

[steelshooter]

I always have to add better sights, fix the trigger, and add an extended slide stop and Vickers mag release to Glocks which makes the price a lot closer to the P30. The P30 is good to go out of the box for me. Glock makes a remarkably high quality and consistent product for the price. You can also easily work on them yourself which is a major plus and there are a whole lot of accessories available. But they are hard to love as I do my HK's.

My new P30 was $ $ 767, or 239 bucks more that a Glock 19, my second choice. (Thanks, Buds Guns). The grip on the Glock was sorta OK, the P30 fantastic. The P30 was easier for me to shoot and very accurate. For me it was the best choice and a small price to pay to defend my life if necessary. Why not buy the best? I buy a used corvette every 5 years or so, drive it maybe 12000 miles and sell it for very near what I paid 5 years prior. Same with my current used Harley. And if I sell my NEW P30 in a few years for $ 500. -550 the cost of ownership is extremely low and inconsequential, maybe $ 7. bucks a month if I sell it in 3 years. All I'm saying is with certain purchases it pays to buy the best 'cause in the long run it costs the least!!!!

[elucas0012008]

Don't know alot about the P30 as I just got mine, but the little bit I have fired it has been enough to say that I really like it. It fits my hand way better than any glock I've ever had or just held. That's just me though. I have never had a problem putting rounds on target with a glock 17 or most other glocks and after firing my P30 I wouldn't be concerned a bit using it as my CCW. It's very accurate and with a little more getting used to I am certain I can become as accurate as I am with either of my Sigs. I guess this being said if I were to choose between the two I'ld take the H&K over the glock. I don't have anything against the glock and give them there credit where it's due, but they've just never been for me (especially the glock 23 I recently got rid of). Since recently catching the H&K bug to go along with my Sig bug I have found a new comfortable fit in the P30. Each individual is different and some will surely agree with my opinion, just as some will not. This is however how I see it.