Mad Ogre on HK

[steelshooter]

http://www.madogre.com/News.html

5-13-08: How did your day go today? Mine was interesting. Let's recap and sum it up.
“What do you think of HK guns?”
“Mediocre yet over priced and arrogant with triggers like toggle switches.”
“Oh.”
“Who are you?”
“The HK rep.”
“Oh.”
So HK is selling the UMC and SL8-6 and wants us to civilians. The prices are high. The magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds. I see no point, no point at all. SIG has the 556, Bushmaster is bringing out the ACR, FN has the FS2000 and the SCAR coming out... lots of really cool rifles from gun makers that don't give the American Shooter the middle finger by neutering the magazines and limiting them to just a few shots at a time. SCREW HK. What have they come out with lately? Rebadged USP's? The last military gun, the MK 23 was an epic flop. The last famous thing they have accomplished is a video game cover. HK has become the Al Bundy of the gun industry. They've become a sitcom of their own creation.

[steelshooter]

I agree the Mk 23 was a flop but the P30 and HK 45 rebadged USP's? Gotta get out a little more Ogre.

[MaverickH1]

Ha. Another guy who thinks they know it all after reading some bitter internet postings.

HK has no US manufacturing facility, so they can't get a rifle in that can accept more than 10 rounds. And I get so tired of hearing people say "HK you suck because the SCAR and the MASADA are being brought to us civilians, and you've brought us nothing but promises of a 416!"

Meanwhile, no-one seems to pay any mind to the SCAR and MASADA being 2 or 3 years into the waiting after first introduced at a SHOT show... so does that mean FN and Magpul hate civilians?... hm...

The HK45 and P30 most certainly aren't rebadged USPs. The interior workings are practically identical since it's a design that has been working for years, but like many other manufacturers out there, HK has made pistols that fit a wider variety of users comfortably. That's all the P30, P2000, and HK45 do differently with the adjustable backstraps and the ambi slide levers, while also lowering the bore axis and slightly bettering the trigger.

[carboncycles]

Umm, wth does this have to do with anything other than a very trollish post. I don't know mad ogre from mad okra...lame.

[Greg Bell]

Don't waste your time on this douche. He is either retarded, and should be forgiven his ignorance, or a troll, and should be ignored.

[invicta39]

This from a man who coasts downhill in neutral in a Contour to save gas;
he sounds a little suspect to me. No offensive Ogre, we all have are opinions. At least you have one.

[Sobriquet]

That guy's off his rocker. I started to go through is site to see what he was about and couldn't take it anymore. He obviously thinks he's more important than he is. I'd never even heard of him before.

He's the stereotype that gun haters envision when attempting to rationalize gun control. "9mm is for women and sissies?" That's certainly the sign of an enlightened individual.

[Big Bore]

Why give him the satisfaction of giving him hits on his web page?
Mark 23 a flop? Huh? Are we on the same planet?
They sell every Mark 23 they make every year and have been doing so for over 15 years. And every run that sells out there is a panic of people coming on here and asking "Is it true that the Mark 23 has been discontinued?" I wish I had a nickel for every time I've answered that question. I could buy a third Mark 23.
Sure they are limited production pistols but when you sell every handgun you make in a run for 15 straight years that does not sound like much of a flop to me?

[Sobriquet]

On reflection it sounds like he's probably using the trigger on those 1911s he loves so much as a crutch. Maybe that's why he can't fire an HK. Speaking of which, he badmouths the brand, then proceeds to list 3 of them in his top 10 best lists.

[Tactical Shooter]

That guy's off his rocker. I started to go through is site to see what he was about and couldn't take it anymore. He obviously thinks he's more important than he is. I'd never even heard of him before.

He's the stereotype that gun haters envision when attempting to rationalize gun control. "9mm is for women and sissies?" That's certainly the sign of an enlightened individual.

Get a sense of humor folks - Ogre's comments on why the AR 15 sucks - http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm - are funny and insightful. I am not saying he is the "end-all-be-all" but he has some good points and makes me laugh.

By the way, 9mm is for sissies. It's a dangerous cartridge - if you shoot someone with it, and they notice, they might get mad at you.

[steelshooter]

For those who didn't read closely Ogre did not post this, I did. I don't agree with a lot of what he says either (especially his political opinions) but some of you are taking it way too seriously. It's almost like saying something negative about a Glock on Glock talk. The .45 comment is a joke.

I have no idea why people buy the Mk 23. It's not a very practical pistol. Is it because of the SEAL/SOCOM association?

Why give him the satisfaction of giving him hits on his web page?
Mark 23 a flop? Huh? Are we on the same planet?
They sell every Mark 23 they make every year and have been doing so for over 15 years. And every run that sells out there is a panic of people coming on here and asking "Is it true that the Mark 23 has been discontinued?" I wish I had a nickel for every time I've answered that question. I could buy a third Mark 23.
Sure they are limited production pistols but when you sell every handgun you make in a run for 15 straight years that does not sound like much of a flop to me?

[Levan9X19]

For those who didn't read closely Ogre did not post this, I did. I don't agree with a lot of what he says either (especially his political opinions) but some of you are taking it way too seriously. It's almost like saying something negative about a Glock on Glock talk. The .45 comment is a joke.

I have no idea why people buy the Mk 23. It's not a very practical pistol. Is it because of the SEAL/SOCOM association?


Let me share my opinion. Mk23 is am ultimate handgun, no compromise in accuracy, weight, dimesions, handing etc. Its just fun to have one in your gunsafe.

much like desert eagle. more an expensive toy rather than practical handgun.

[H-7]

I bought my mark 23 because it is what it is and that is a beast. i have no worry of it ever giving me a problem. i would trust my life with it. if it did have a hang up them you can beat them to death. the gun is very light on recoil, accurate more so than i will ever be, its well balanced and reliable.

[Everman]

He guy obviously thinks any .45 1911 is superior to anything else when he places that as the #1 handgun: "1911's in .45 ACP." Lets not even consider the fact that they can vary in quality depending on the mfr, he just lumps them all together.

[Scooter]

Let's face it, if the MK 23 wasn't adopted by US SOCOM, many of you probably would not have bought the gun. I'd bet the Tactical would pass the same tests. But the fact that it wasn't adopted by SOCOM, it loses a lot of the character.

A lot of products are sold because it is Tacti-cool.

[steelshooter]

The amusing thing about this is that the Mk 23 is gathering dust in armories in Little Creek, Coronado, Ft. Bragg etc. because no one sees a use for it.

[steelshooter]

He sure talks up his Kimber and that is not a brand I am impressed by.

He guy obviously thinks any .45 1911 is superior to anything else when he places that as the #1 handgun: "1911's in .45 ACP." Lets not even consider the fact that they can vary in quality depending on the mfr, he just lumps them all together.

[madmardigan]

I have to agree with him. Hks polymers do not impress me very much for how much they cost. I handled a HK45 and a P30 the other day and they both felt really nice except for the trigger and the price tag. I could buy a G21 SF,holster and 1k ammo for the same price and it will do everything the Hk can. It's too bad Hk couldn't incorporate the great features of their steel framed pistols (P7, P9) into the polymers.

[Levan9X19]

Let's face it, if the MK 23 wasn't adopted by US SOCOM, many of you probably would not have bought the gun. I'd bet the Tactical would pass the same tests. But the fact that it wasn't adopted by SOCOM, it loses a lot of the character.

A lot of products are sold because it is Tacti-cool.

if such product satisfies me and gives me some pleasant emotions I dont see the reason not to buy it.

fact is Mk23 works fine, so if you like it why not to buy it?

[harrydog]

if such product satisfies me and gives me some pleasant emotions I dont see the reason not to buy it.

fact is Mk23 works fine, so if you like it why not to buy it?
Can't argue with that.

[dtheman]

"3) It's very light!
Answer: And it breaks! However this very light AR-15 is no longer light when you add in all the extras that are the style these days… two white lights, vertical fore grip, full length rail for your short compact optical sights… lasers… AM/FM tape deck… There is a whole Gun Industry Sub-Industry revolved around the AR-15. There are so many accessories the AR is nothing more than a Black Barbie Doll for Boys. You can dress it up for a night on the town or a day at the beach in your little pink convertible… it’s fabulous! By the time your rifle is dressed out like one of the guys from the Blackhawk Industries ads… it’s no longer very light. It now weighs as much as an M-249 SAW."


That was pretty funny.

[quikz]

"3) It's very light!
Answer: And it breaks! However this very light AR-15 is no longer light when you add in all the extras that are the style these days… two white lights, vertical fore grip, full length rail for your short compact optical sights… lasers… AM/FM tape deck… There is a whole Gun Industry Sub-Industry revolved around the AR-15. There are so many accessories the AR is nothing more than a Black Barbie Doll for Boys. You can dress it up for a night on the town or a day at the beach in your little pink convertible… it’s fabulous! By the time your rifle is dressed out like one of the guys from the Blackhawk Industries ads… it’s no longer very light. It now weighs as much as an M-249 SAW."


That was pretty funny.

***DING!!!***

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

NEXT: Christmas tree AR's on eBay!

Merry Christmas everyone!

:)

[robert14]

"3) It's very light!
Answer: And it breaks! However this very light AR-15 is no longer light when you add in all the extras that are the style these days… two white lights, vertical fore grip, full length rail for your short compact optical sights… lasers… AM/FM tape deck… There is a whole Gun Industry Sub-Industry revolved around the AR-15. There are so many accessories the AR is nothing more than a Black Barbie Doll for Boys. You can dress it up for a night on the town or a day at the beach in your little pink convertible… it’s fabulous! By the time your rifle is dressed out like one of the guys from the Blackhawk Industries ads… it’s no longer very light. It now weighs as much as an M-249 SAW."


That was pretty funny.
I think he's got something on the weight issue, My M4 weighs more than my
M1A....