HK45C & P2000sk side by side? (pic request)

[bunthius]

I've seen other people do this on this forum and would hope that someone would be kind enough to oblige my request. I'm in the market for compact/sub-compact 9mm semi-auto for carry. I have an HK45C and am interested in a P2000sk but curious how it compares to this one specifically. I love the HK45C but if I want something smaller and quick to grab I have no option other than my S&W airweight revolver.

Also, if anyone has any other suggestions for what I'm looking for that'd be great. My top picks are between the P2000sk, Walther PPS, Springfield EMP, Rohrbagh R9S. Not all are direct competitors but similar in a lot of respects. Also, I trust HK and love their look so P2000sk is at the top. :D

Of course if any of you have the HK45C and some of those other models, I'd sure love to see side by side pics. Hard to find these models in local shops. :( Thanks for any info/pics!

[e_evgeniy]

Hi, that is going to be a tuff choice. I carry P2000sk - small, compact but wide. Check Kahr (even in 45 it is very small and no ext. safety as HK), Sig P232.

[AwaySooner]

Hk45c is almost the same exact size as the P30 (The middle one). It's the reason why I traded my Hk45c for a full size Hk45 and keep the P30. Here's my Hk45, P30 and P2000sk.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/awaysooner/SEHGfYJTIkI/AAAAAAAAAmI/1arOrWi-utA/s400/P1000363.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/awaysooner/SEHGlIJTInI/AAAAAAAAAmg/qnAB5ViWiQo/s400/P1000366.JPG

[spyder1439]

id go with the p2000sk or for a second choice check out springfield xd sub-compact and then of course the baby glock has the small size and hi mag cap. i cary my p2ksk everywhere its so small and light you forget sometimes you are carrying it. plus it shoots better than my full sized sig p226.

[bunthius]

Thanks a lot for the pics. Yeah the P30 looks like a big gun compared to the p2ksk. I have held the P30 and you're right they are pretty much the same in size. I've heard that the width of the p2ksk is the only gripe. Let's compare widths.

P2000sk: 1.28 in.
P30: 1.37 in.
EMP: 1.11 in.
PPS: 1.04 in.
R9S: 0.81 in.
XD-SC: 1.24 in.
P232: 1.2 in.

To me the width of the P30 is just fine. But is that what I want in a mini 9mm? I prefer the V3 in P2ksk because to me it seems the only way to get any kind of safety on it, by having the high trigger pull.

DA/SA would take out all but P2000sk and P232. Does anyone know if the EMP is DA/SA or SA only? Can carry it C&L'd though. I prefer to not have to stock up on a new caliber so I want to stick with 9mm.

This leaves only the P2000sk. hmmmmmm.... You're right this is a tough choice. Any more comparison shots? Width comp shots are a big help too.

I think it boils down to size and cost. I don't think I want to shell out a grand for a tiny gun just because it's tiny (the R9S). And the PPS vs the P2000sk are only about $100 difference in cost. That is a non-issue, feels like the same dent in the bank acct, TBH.

So the battle is between the PPS and the P2ksk. Funny, here's a thread on the exact thing: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273303

here too kinda: http://concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=941

photos(google img search):

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i229/stoshie/PPSHK.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i229/stoshie/HKontopofPPS.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i229/stoshie/PPSontopofHK.jpg

[bunthius]

here we go, box comparison shot via sizeeasy.com:

http://www.dfloyd.com/storage/pics/sizeeasySC.jpg

I've held the PPS and it felt pretty good in my hand, not too small of grip. So looking at this the P2ksk is only a little thicker. We may have a winner.

[Sobriquet]

That's a pretty neat graphic. Where does the P7M8 fall in there?

[givo08]

You cannot go by website specs, especially for H&K because most of them are wrong or measured from something insignificant.

For example, they list the HK45c height at 5.59". It's actually around 5.0". I think they measured it with the extended or pinky rest mag in the gun where you'd be carrying it most likely with flat floor plates. Also, the width on the HK45c is listed as thicker than the USPc .45. If you compare the two side by side though, the 45c is much thinner in the slide and slightly thinner in the grip. They most likely measured the 45c width to include the safety lever, which does not really effect the concealable width of the gun because it just presses into your body or holster, it doesn't actually make the entire gun thicker like your box representation above would show.

Likewise with the P30 and P2ksk width differences, I would almost guess that one is measured as the width of the slide and one is measured as the width including the slide stop levers.

I would suggest actually handling the guns in question and holding them side by side instead of going by website dimensions. The PPS is much thinner in the hand than the P2ksk but not nearly as comfortable (in my opinion) to hold or shoot. The P2ksk in my opinion hardly differs from the HK45c in concealability. It's about ~.5-.75" shorter in the grip if you have flat base plates on the 45c. I would personally go with the PPS in order to get the most concealability out of a gun that size. You may also want to consider weight though. The PPS and P2kSK are still fairly heavy in the 20+ oz range compared to something like a S&W lightweight revolver or in the 10 oz range. Weight may not be a factor for you though.

[Sobriquet]

That's a really cool website. I'd never even heard of that before. I did a comparison of the HK45, P2000, and P7M8. I threw an iPhone in there for size comparison.

See it here. (http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/15314-HK45-vs-P2000-vs-P7M8-1-vs-Apple-iPhone)

[bunthius]

You cannot go by website specs, especially for H&K because most of them are wrong or measured from something insignificant......

You're right givo. I originally had the HK45C in there but took it out because I know their measurements are wrong. I used the P30 instead because of no ext. safety and the concealability being pretty much identical to the HK45C.

Your post is exactly why I started this thread. Great insight. If the P2000sk is not much different from the HK45C in carry terms considering weight/size then maybe I'll just skip it all together and go as small as I can(R9S/PPS). The PPS is still heavier but probably around the lightest for a 9mm. And the thinness will probably win. I don't want that one hot day where I regret not getting a thinner gun. I know I am flip flopping a lot. I'm thinking Cabela's may have these models. I'm gonna go check that out next.

Sobriquet, that website is garnered for gadgets mainly, like cellphones. but actually is pretty handy for gun specs. I get the majority of my gun info from the internet then I occasionally find a shop to confirm everything. So having that is just icing on the cake.

[HKCHEF]

here we go, box comparison shot via sizeeasy.com:


Great site fun to use.

[Sobriquet]

I wasn't aware they made a Walther PP in anything larger than .380.

As for the HK45c vs. P2000sk, there's quite a bit of grip difference between the two, isn't there? I have a finger and a half hang off the bottom of the SK. I can get my hand, just barely, on a USPc .45 with the pinky thing on.

[bunthius]

I wasn't aware they made a Walther PP in anything larger than .380.

As for the HK45c vs. P2000sk, there's quite a bit of grip difference between the two, isn't there? I have a finger and a half hang off the bottom of the SK. I can get my hand, just barely, on a USPc .45 with the pinky thing on.

I was at a shop in vegas and the dealer pulled out his carry gun and showed me how small it was. It was a Walther PPS and for its size the grip felt OK enough in my hand. Yeah the P2ksk grip seems much shorter but if there was an overall drop in size then I'd go with it. By some of the posts that may not be the case. Of course there is always the x-grip on a p2k mag. but at that point then you lose the point of the gun. An in store side by side is probably the only way I can solve this. Speculation is great too though.

[givo08]

Speculation is quite fun:17:

My carry preferences is the HK45c as well right now, and I'm looking for something smaller to wear when I go running or biking or to slip in a pocket when i really just can't conceal the 45c. I just feel like a subcompact (P2ksk, G26, P99c, etc) gives me no concealable advantage over the 45c for the way I dress. My biggest problem with concealment is when I wear a tighter fitting shirt, and it's always the back of the slide/rear sight area that pokes out on my side when I wear it at 3:30-4:00 IWB. For me, the 45c actually conceals better than a G26 because of the more tapered profile of the back of the slide compared to the square shape on the back of a Glock. You're experience may be different

For me to gain concealability though, I need something that can comfortably go in my pocket. The PPS can due to how thin it is but it weighs the same as a G26, which would be annoying in the pocket i think. So i'm personally leaning more towards a tiny/lightweight gun like a ruger LCP, keltec P3AT or a S&W M&P340.

[spyder1439]

if you go with the sw 340pd i suggest getting an airweight revolver in 38 instead of 357 magnum. the recoil on the 357 destroys your hand

[murfdog]

I've seen other people do this on this forum and would hope that someone would be kind enough to oblige my request. I'm in the market for compact/sub-compact 9mm semi-auto for carry. I have an HK45C and am interested in a P2000sk but curious how it compares to this one specifically. I love the HK45C but if I want something smaller and quick to grab I have no option other than my S&W airweight revolver.

Also, if anyone has any other suggestions for what I'm looking for that'd be great. My top picks are between the P2000sk, Walther PPS, Springfield EMP, Rohrbagh R9S. Not all are direct competitors but similar in a lot of respects. Also, I trust HK and love their look so P2000sk is at the top. :D

Of course if any of you have the HK45C and some of those other models, I'd sure love to see side by side pics. Hard to find these models in local shops. :( Thanks for any info/pics!

I carry a P2sk 9mm Lem NS with Corbon DPX .115 gr. +p I prfer the lem trigger.With the Corbon DPX I have never had a single issue of any kind.I'm also about to buy a P2sk Lem .357 sig + a .40 barrel.Just my 2 cents.Good luck on your choice IMHO go H&K!





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[ispeed]

I have the PPS and a P2000sk. Both in 9mm. I must say that the PPS is much smaller in terms of being thin. Heck it is essentially the same size as the PPK/s. Recoil is a little sharper on the PPS, and you have more capacity in the P2sk. I personally carry the PPS almost every day and use the P2sk as a nightstand gun. Every once and awhile I carry the P2sk, but it is only on rare occasions as the Walther is better suited for my needs. I know this is HK board, but if you are looking for a thin, light, quality gun, the PPS should get a considerable amount of your attention. You can carry 3 additional with the HK, but the Walther is very easy to conceal in both pocket carry and IWB carry.

Some others can check me on this as I think I remember this correctly but I could be wrong. The PPS actually has a little longer barrel than the HK. That extra length (even though a very short distance) can lead to faster velocity and better accuracy. I would pull them out to check, but I admit I am lazy and it's kinda late.

[bunthius]

I keep looking at my HK45c and to me that is thin. The way it tapers to the top makes it lie very snug against my side with an iwb holster. I have a S&W sigma(my first pistol as a gift) and it is extremely similar to a glock. The HK45c is technically a bit thicker but the tapering makes it feel much smaller compared to the SW.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I'm still leaning towards the P2ksk because its HK. Can't wait until I get to compare them in the shop.

But we have another contender. The Boberg XR-9. There is no production model yet, but I've read every bit of info on this gun. It has a full-size barrel in a pocket sized gun. The round performance is awesome and based on the videos the kick does not look like much at all. The recoil is the biggest complaint for the R9S and the PM9. Perhaps it is the all steel build of the XR9 and the longer barrel that keeps the recoil low. But who knows, i'd like to shoot one. But I gotta say I like the maker's spirit. It could be the start of a good company. Arne says there's some durability tests occurring and may see production before the end of the year. It is very encouraging and yes I am sorry that I am diverting from the HK content, but may the best man win, eh? And who says I can't get both? anyway here is a link http://bobergengineering.com/xr9%20images.htm

[bunthius]

Thanks a lot for your post ispeed. Man, guns are so hard to pick, there's so many options. Anyway websites state the P2ksk is actually a hair longer barrel length than PPS.

barrell length:
P2ksk: 3.27 in.
PPS: 3.2 in.

I have the PPS and a P2000sk. Both in 9mm. I must say that the PPS is much smaller in terms of being thin. Heck it is essentially the same size as the PPK/s. Recoil is a little sharper on the PPS, and you have more capacity in the P2sk. I personally carry the PPS almost every day and use the P2sk as a nightstand gun. Every once and awhile I carry the P2sk, but it is only on rare occasions as the Walther is better suited for my needs. I know this is HK board, but if you are looking for a thin, light, quality gun, the PPS should get a considerable amount of your attention. You can carry 3 additional with the HK, but the Walther is very easy to conceal in both pocket carry and IWB carry.

Some others can check me on this as I think I remember this correctly but I could be wrong. The PPS actually has a little longer barrel than the HK. That extra length (even though a very short distance) can lead to faster velocity and better accuracy. I would pull them out to check, but I admit I am lazy and it's kinda late.

[AwaySooner]

I think you should really try them at the range and see which one you can shoot better, and consider reliability. When you life is on the line, which gun can you trust and shoot well? For me I carry HK only.

[givo08]

I think you should really try them at the range and see which one you can shoot better, and consider reliability. When you life is on the line, which gun can you trust and shoot well? For me I carry HK only.

I would put Walther's reputation up there with H&K though.

[Huskyoff]

More options...
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[xskylitox]

I recently bought a Glock 36, and it is very compact. It holds just as many 45 rounds as a standard 1911, and is very lightweight. It is small enough to wear in an ankle holster when I need to. The grip fits my hand better than my P2000sk did as well.