HK45 Trigger Reset Issue

[Savior 6]

Anybody having any problems with their trigger reset?
After buying the HK45 I took it to the range and the first day put 160rds throught the thing, with no issues. Second time I took the gun to the range I had issues with the reset. After squeezing the trigger and sending a round down range and after follow-through, I would slowly let up on the trigger to feel the reset. When I felt the reset I would squeeze again only to reach the end of travel. I started to notice that there was a distinct point where the trigger "felt" like it reset, right before it actually does reset. Not a malfuntioning issue just annoying when you squeeze the trigger and nothing happens.
It essentially "feels" like there are two resets: one that does not actually reset the trigger and the spot that actually is the trigger reset. It should be noted that during rapid fire I did not have the issues as my let-up was done faster.
Anyone else?

[HKCHEF]

I have not experienced anything like that, the reset seems to be pronounced for me.

[Sidewinder6]

I have never felt that either. Try dry firing and holding the trigger back ,cycling the slide, then dry firing again after feeling the reset.

[Savior 6]

Sidewinder6, was doing that while looking at another board and it reminded me to post here. Dry firing I can feel the same spot.

[robert14]

One of my two HK45s does what yours is doing & the other has no trace of it. It functions fine, just gives you a false reset. I'm hoping that it will stop doing it after the breakin....

[cmdrdredd]

Shoot the gun normally and it won't do it. Non-issue.

[Savior 6]

robert14, that term descirbes it best, it gives you a "false reset". BTW are both of your HK45s full size or is one a compact and furthermore if one is a compact is it the one with no trace of the False reset?

[Savior 6]

cmdrdredd, normally? Do you not practice finding your reset for muscle memory?

[LCSO264]

Savior 6, I've not had anything like that occur on either my full size or compact. You are practicing correct, and in time this will allow for faster accurate follow up shots. I'd contact HK and run it by them.... Sounds like maybe something is getting hung up or something similar?? good luck.

[Andre]

My USP40F does exactly the same thing, hence an earlier post about home trigger jobs.

I removed the slide and played around with the thing. I noticed that the trigger bar is very loose and tilts from side to side during release. This appears to be the problem. I'm going to try and shim it a bit, if I ever get the time to do some gun smithing again!

The gun works fine, but this is a very very annoying characteristic. Will keep you up to date if I manage anything over the weekend.

[Cadillac Johnson]

Contact HK.

That shouldn't be happening.

[Sidewinder6]

I am sure interested in the outcome of this issue. Please keep us posted.

[Savior 6]

LCSO264 and Cadillac Johnson I'm sure the number is all over this place, but what is a contact number I should be using for this type of issue?
Andre I'll be interested to see what you come up with, but as for myself, I do not trust my limited skill to solve this issue.
Sidewinder6 Will do

[cmdrdredd]

cmdrdredd, normally? Do you not practice finding your reset for muscle memory?

No I don't hold the trigger in and release it slowly feeling for the reset. I prep the trigger between shots. I bump against the sear, and this is the best way to do it IMO. I don't ever try shooting from the reset unless I'm firing a Glock.

[Sidewinder6]

IF you have that down with Glocks, you should find the HK45 similar to shoot. I think it may be the best way to keep your groups small and fast.

[cmdrdredd]

IF you have that down with Glocks, you should find the HK45 similar to shoot. I think it may be the best way to keep your groups small and fast.

No, it isn't. It's a different trigger system. The HK45 doesn't have as light, as short a reset, or as little creep as the Glock trigger in stock form. With some work maybe close. The best way for me to do it is to bump up against the sear and prep the trigger so that each and every shot is done without slapping the trigger. Many shooters slap the trigger when the sights line up. Some shooters find the reset and jam on the trigger instead of squeezing it. Prepping the trigger and bumping up against the sear each time prevents this. You can get fast at it, but you have to really practice. it's basically finding the point where the trigger breaks and prepping it so that you're right at that point. Then when sight alignment is met, BANG!

It's what works for me after practice.

[Cadillac Johnson]

No, it isn't. It's a different trigger system. The HK45 doesn't have as light, as short a reset, or as little creep as the Glock trigger in stock form. With some work maybe close. The best way for me to do it is to bump up against the sear and prep the trigger so that each and every shot is done without slapping the trigger. Many shooters slap the trigger when the sights line up. Some shooters find the reset and jam on the trigger instead of squeezing it. Prepping the trigger and bumping up against the sear each time prevents this. You can get fast at it, but you have to really practice. it's basically finding the point where the trigger breaks and prepping it so that you're right at that point. Then when sight alignment is met, BANG!

It's what works for me after practice.


That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with the reset?

[cmdrdredd]

That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with the reset?

It was a response to the issue of "shooting normally" I don't feel for the reset at all. That's my point. Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread.

[Cadillac Johnson]

It was a response to the issue of "shooting normally" I don't feel for the reset at all. That's my point. Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread.

Are you serious?

Because YOU dont feel for the reset, it's a 'non issue' for everyone that does?

Because YOU 'shoot normally' whatever that means... the false reset is a 'non issue'?

Because NO ONE asked how YOU shoot, until you claimed this was a 'non issue' you felt the need to bring up how YOUR shooting style doesn't involve feeling for the reset?

That about sum up your expertise?

"No I don't hold the trigger in and release it slowly feeling for the reset. I prep the trigger between shots."

That was your answer to 'how to shoot normally' Feeling for the reset and prepping the trigger are two completely different things. How is prepping the trigger a solution to a false reset?

[cmdrdredd]

here http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70483&highlight=trigger+reset

and here http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70326&highlight=trigger+reset

Search works :p

the false reset should go away after 500 rounds, or look to the trigger bar.

And yes that is my answer. Big Bore says it's a non issue in the HK trigger system and I'll take his word for it.

[Cadillac Johnson]

here http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70483&highlight=trigger+reset

and here http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70326&highlight=trigger+reset

Search works :p

the false reset should go away after 500 rounds, or look to the trigger bar.

And yes that is my answer. Big Bore says it's a non issue in the HK trigger system and I'll take his word for it.

Had you made this post, instead of "Shoot the gun normally and it won't do it. Non-issue." that would have actualy been of some help.

By saying 'It's not a problem for me, so it's not a problem for you' you're not helping anything. You're antagonizing the OP.

Also, Big Bore was talking about the trigger reseting but not coming completely forward, not a false reset...

Bottom line, the gun is doing something it's not supposed to do, as a vast majority of HK's do not have this problem. If the OP is bothered by this, have Eddie Heckler and Teddy Koch fix it.

[cmdrdredd]

Had you made this post, instead of "Shoot the gun normally and it won't do it. Non-issue." that would have actualy been of some help.

By saying 'It's not a problem for me, so it's not a problem for you' you're not helping anything. You're antagonizing the OP.

Also, Big Bore was talking about the trigger reseting but not coming completely forward, not a false reset...

Bottom line, the gun is doing something it's not supposed to do, as a vast majority of HK's do not have this problem. If the OP is bothered by this, have Eddie Heckler and Teddy Koch fix it.

He was talking exactly about a false reset. That's what it's doing when it's not releasing all the way forward. Note: Greg Bell said he noted the reset but it went away after extended usage. Bill Springfield mentioned it could be the xfer bar rubbing since it's not smoothed out which would eventually wear in.

[Savior 6]

Cadillac Johnson and Sidewinder6, Thanks. I appreciate the support and your opinions.

cmdrdredd, sorry but I don't like the sound of "bump". It sounds too close to slap. I have to say I prefer "squeeze and release".

[cmdrdredd]

Cadillac Johnson and Sidewinder6, Thanks. I appreciate the support and your opinions.

cmdrdredd, sorry but I don't like the sound of "bump". It sounds too close to slap. I have to say I prefer "squeeze and release".

LOL ok so Bruce Gray teaches incorrectly.

[robert14]

robert14, that term descirbes it best, it gives you a "false reset". BTW are both of your HK45s full size or is one a compact and furthermore if one is a compact is it the one with no trace of the False reset?
Both are full size.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/cian333/pistols/100_0310.jpg

[Savior 6]

robert14 Nice pair and nice on the early numbers. Mine is in the 800's.

cmdrdredd, if that's the way you feel about.

[robert14]

robert14 Nice pair and nice on the early numbers. Mine is in the 800's.

cmdrdredd, if that's the way you feel about.
Thanks, the issue is with my "newer" one. If you slowly let the trigger out, it has a definite first "click", shortly before the real reset. Pull the trigger on the first "click" - nothing happens (of course, as it has not reset). Hopefully, it is a rough spot on the trigger bar & will smooth out with shooting. Just don't want to go through the hassle to send it in.

[Savior 6]

robert14, same thing here. I don't want to go through the hassle of sending it in either. I want to get some more rounds down range before I have to make that decision. The only problem is that I have aquired a few weapons in 45 that I also need to try at the range, so it could be awhile before I get a sufficient round count. Just hoping that when I do, the reset issue works itself out.

[robert14]

robert14, same thing here. I don't want to go through the hassle of sending it in either. I want to get some more rounds down range before I have to make that decision. The only problem is that I have aquired a few weapons in 45 that I also need to try at the range, so it could be awhile before I get a sufficient round count. Just hoping that when I do, the reset issue works itself out.
I pulled the slide on the pistol in question, working the trigger slowly in SA mode to try to locate the issue. The "click" originates (on mine) in the slot where the trigger connects to the trigger bar. I pulled both sides of the slide stop & it still does the "click", so I know it is not the tab on the right side slide stop engaging the trigger / trigger bar. Can't see down into the slot they both connect in. While I am a Glock armorer, I have never stripped a HK, so I did not do so with this pistol.

Considering the location, anyone got any thoughts??

[Savior 6]

robert14, if you get brave and actually strip the pistol down and come up with a solution, step-by-step instructions would be appreciated. I have no amorer experience so do not feel comfortable doing this myself.