I don't suppose we have 1000 P30 owners here, do we?

[marlinspike]

In pursuit of adjustable night sights for my P30 (it looks like not only does nobody make them but nobody will make them, ugh) one company noted that 1000 orders would be required for a custom run. I'm guessing we don't have 1000 P30 owners let alone 1000 P30 owners looking for an adjustable combat tritium sight here, do we?

[pnutlee]

In pursuit of adjustable night sights for my P30 (it looks like not only does nobody make them but nobody will make them, ugh) one company noted that 1000 orders would be required for a custom run. I'm guessing we don't have 1000 P30 owners let alone 1000 P30 owners looking for an adjustable combat tritium sight here, do we?


2 of 1000 (don't have one yet, but would be willing to pre order tritium sights)

[HKCHEF]

Put me in the pool.

[Mark71]

I have one and would be interested but would want fixed sights. I am not a fan of adjustable sights.

[pnutlee]

Hell....I'll buy two........one for my future P30, and one for my future, P30L.

That makes 4 out 1000. Just a few more to go!

[Kost]

P30 is a compact fighting hand gun, its not made for SWAT type Operators like a Tactical version is - I dont see adjustables being a good fit for this type pistol. Night sights would be a go tho

Just my .02

[marlinspike]

Even adjustable combat sights, i.e. Novak style?

Even though the P30 is compact it is capable of sub 2" groups at 25 yards. Also, there are those of us who don't like the cover-the-target sight picture, and finally it is always better to have your sights aligned more accurately, so I don't see the downside to an adjustable combat sight.

[ManfredWader1]

+1 for having a p30! I love this gun!

[HKJohnny]

I need 3 sets... Only if they are Trijicon. @ for the P30s and one for the P30L

[HKJohnny]

double post

[marlinspike]

Why only trijicons? IMHO they really aren't that great - don't stay bright all that long.

[benderx4]

Got a P30 and working on the P30L but I too, am not a fan of the adjustable sights - sorry.

[marlinspike]

What is it that people have against adjustable combat sights?

[the_fallguy]

I think their are two main complaints - First, it is one more thing that can break or malfunction. Next, many shooters believe they are an unnecessary addition since most pistols are properly sighted in from the factory. It doesn't help that there are so many people that use adjustable sights because "for some reason" their pistol shoots low and to the left.

I only find adjustable sights necessary if I plan to use multiple calibers in the same pistol.

[marlinspike]

I think their are two main complaints - First, it is one more thing that can break or malfunction. Next, many shooters believe they are an unnecessary addition since most pistols are properly sighted in from the factory. It doesn't help that there are so many people that use adjustable sights because "for some reason" their pistol shoots low and to the left.

I only find adjustable sights necessary if I plan to use multiple calibers in the same pistol.


The breaking thing is a myth if it's a good adjustable combat sight we're talking about, like these http://www.novaksights.com/extreme_duty_adjustable_sight.htm
(or STI's Tacital Adjustable Sight, or the sight on the Bren-Ten, or the sight on a number of revolvers)

As far as being property sighted in from the factory, how many of you do a lot of shooting at 25 meters with your HKs or think that a 25 meter 0 is even useful on an HK handgun?

I would amend your last statement to say I only find adjustable sights necessary if I plan to use multiple calibers in the same pistol or shoot at a different distance than the factory did or shoot a different load than they used at the factory, or I view the sight picture differently than the guy who zeroed the gun (and all people do slightly).

With adustable sights like those Novaks a person has nothing to lose and everything to gain by choosing adjustable over fixed.

[dobe]

I too prefer an adjustable sight. I prefer an adjustable sight, because I shoot a more 6 O'Clock hold. I hate covering up a target.

As far as adjustables being fragile, I'll disagree. How many decades did police officer carry S&W 15's, 19's and 66's, before it became vouge to carry fixed sights? I don't remember adjustables being so fragile. I've had and carried adjustables for years. I've dropped a handgun or two, and even dropped a BHP from the top of my car. The mass is in the top of the gun, and usually the fall is absorbed by the sights. I've never lost an adustable yet.

[the_fallguy]

I'm just telling you the common consensus, here fellas. Don't read any more into it than what it is: a direct answer to your question.

I have seen plenty of sights come in for repairs or replacement while working at a gun shop, both fixed and adjustable. The most common broken sight was actually the TFO fixed sights. Still, while construction, materials, and design play a huge role on durability, the more parts there are in something, the greater likelihood that something will go wrong with it. I'm not telling anyone what to do, or what to use. Hopefully most of you have seen my philosophy on training and equipment by now. I'm simply answering the question that was asked.

Personally, if I had to choose an adjustable sight I would go with the Meprolight set up. The tritium lasts and the white rings are PVC sleeves that won't chip or fade like Trijicons do. I don't like the novaks (or for that matter my factory HK45C sights) because the "Snag free" design severely limits the techniques I can use for one handed reloading if one of my hands or arms is injured. That is so important to me that the Novak style sights are a no go.

[marlinspike]

because the "Snag free" design severely limits the techniques I can use for one handed reloading if one of my hands or arms is injured.

Isn't the point of double action that you never have to rack your slide?

[dobe]

Isn't the point of double action that you never have to rack your slide?
I'm not quiet sure what this means.

because the "Snag free" design severely limits the techniques I can use for one handed reloading if one of my hands or arms is injured. That is so important to me that the Novak style sights are a no go.
Not to change the subject of the thread, but are you able to rack a slide one handed without the use of your sights? The sight method is easier, but there are other ways.

[the_fallguy]

Isn't the point of double action that you never have to rack your slide?


If only life were that simple . :D

[the_fallguy]

Not to change the subject of the thread, but are you able to rack a slide one handed without the use of your sights? The sight method is easier, but there are other ways.

I said "severely limits", not negates. :150000:

[dobe]

10-4

[marlinspike]

I'm not quiet sure what this means.


Well, I guess I should have said you only rack it once and you do so at a time when you have both hands. I.e. just keep one in the pipe.

[marlinspike]

If only life were that simple . :D

If you lost your left hand and you just fired a squib, you might as well give up because the universe must be so against you that if you live past that moment there will be more to come. lol

[the_fallguy]

It's all good.

I say if you guys are certain the adjustable sights will improve your ability to defend yourselves and your loved ones, then by all means get them (assuming that the previous criteria is used, you should get whatever you deem necessary, regardless of what I have to say, or anybody else for that matter).

If you lost your left hand and you just fired a squib, you might as well give up because the universe must be so against you that if you live past that moment there will be more to come. lol

After the month I've had with my business, I would say it's not too big of a stretch to conclude that the world is conspiring against me...... Besides, I am not gonna let something as simple as that scenario stop me (my motto is live or die tryin').

Now I'm gonna let you go back to the original intent of the thread so maybe you can accomplish the goal getting adjustable sights for your P30's. Good day gentlemen, and stay safe.

[dobe]

You've got a point there.

[nozzle13]

I'm in!!! Just let me know ahead of time when the funds are do. I have to convince my honey that cloth diapers are the wave of the future:D

[marlinspike]

Well, we're at 7 now. So, when we get to 900 start getting the funds together lol.

[99999]

I just wanted to point out that the P30, HK45, and HK45c all would use the same sights. So there should be plenty of those guns sold already to have some made. I have the Heini's for mine and love them.

[marlinspike]

I e-mailed every company that makes 3 dot night sights. One of the ones I e-mailed said I was the first person to even ask about sights for that gun. The rest (well, those who responded) said there are no plans.

[p30fan]

Heinie has sights listed for the HK45 and P30, doesn't indicate if they are night sights though.

http://www.heinie.com/hksights.php

Edit - oops, sorry, didn't remember you wanted adjustable.

[DanceTiger]

I would definitely be interested for my P30L.

[IMTHEDUKE]

I like the ones that came on the P30. They shine....and I like fixed.

[Nathan1988]

I took my new P30L to the range yesterday afternoon. Upon shooting the first full mag the last round failed to eject. It kind of surprised me. Upon shooting the second full mag on the 9th round it failed to eject again. This happened 2 more times upon 2 of the following mags were fired. My buddies were telling me it was only doing that because its a new pistol. I shot 200 more rounds through it flawlessly. The kind of bullet I was using was remington umc 115grain. It shot 2 mags of monarch and it ate it up fine. Anybody out there experienced this?

[Mark71]

I took my new P30L to the range yesterday afternoon. Upon shooting the first full mag the last round failed to eject. It kind of surprised me. Upon shooting the second full mag on the 9th round it failed to eject again. This happened 2 more times upon 2 of the following mags were fired. My buddies were telling me it was only doing that because its a new pistol. I shot 200 more rounds through it flawlessly. The kind of bullet I was using was remington umc 115grain. It shot 2 mags of monarch and it ate it up fine. Anybody out there experienced this?

The problem that you were having is due to the Remington UMC 115grain. Remington UMC is a very weak/light round and the new stiff springs on the P30 are having a hard time cycling the round (Remember these guns are tested to run/be used with NATO spec 124gr ammo). It is a common problem and HK even recommends avoiding it when the gun is new. Give it a good break in with other brands such as American Eagle, Fiocchi, Speer Lawman, ect and after a few hundred rounds you should have no issues with any type of ammo.


If you do a search you will find a bunch of threads on here about the P30 and other new HK's having the same problems with Remington UMC ammo.