Newbie Questions on P7's

[banddr2]

I am on the hunt for one, I know my Walthers but have never owned an HK. What is the diference between P7, PSP & P7M8 other than the heat shield on the latter one?

Also I see CDNN has the German trade in ones in various condition. Of course I want one as close to new or unissued as possible w/o paying $800! So I am leaning toward the grade A. As in the Walther P5's, we are very picky about the importers and their HORRIBLE import stamps they use, what should I watch out for on P7's?

Thanks for the help.

[H&K 4 LIFE]

P7/PSP has a heel mag release. The P7M8 has an "American style" release just behind the trigger guard. Other then the heat shield, location of the mag release, and different magazines the guns are virtually the same thing.

[Shakey]

I am on the hunt for one, I know my Walthers but have never owned an HK. What is the diference between P7, PSP & P7M8 other than the heat shield on the latter one?

Also I see CDNN has the German trade in ones in various condition. Of course I want one as close to new or unissued as possible w/o paying $800! So I am leaning toward the grade A. As in the Walther P5's, we are very picky about the importers and their HORRIBLE import stamps they use, what should I watch out for on P7's?

Thanks for the help.

The CDNN grade A that I purchased looked brand new. The import stamp on the slide was a very tasteful HK Trussville AL. CDNN's PSPs were imported by HK USA.

[banddr2]

I just saw a pic of one of the new PW Import guns, and I have to say the PW import marking looks real crappy! I like the HK import mark that looks to be lazer etched, where as the PW mark looks to be cheaply stamped and some paint rubbed in. It's too bad, because the PW gun looks like NIB condition. Seems like a waste of what was a beautiful P7.

[Goose5]

This is the Grade B that I picked up a year ago.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/Goose5/NewP71.jpg

[DrJWelch]

OK, I got a newb question.

If you were going to buy one to carry, which one would it be?
If I purchased one it wound be a carry piece.

[jca998]

Go with the PSP, the heel release won't snag on your holster. Just my .02.

[Goose5]

Already posted a picture of what I intend to carry.

[benderx4]

I carry a regular P7 - with the European heel release, you have less chance of the mag release getting caught on your clothes, fingers, and/or holster and unknowingly releasing the mag. (More of an opportunity of this on the P7M8)

[LSP 972]

I carry a regular P7 - with the European heel release, you have less chance of the mag release getting caught on your clothes, fingers, and/or holster and unknowingly releasing the mag. (More of an opportunity of this on the P7M8)

I guess I must be amazingly adroit and adept; along with the many other folks who carry M8s and have never had this "problem".

Nothing personal, Benderx4... But apparently, this BS has attained urban legend status. This is the third or fourth time I've seen this in the past couple of weeks.

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[banddr2]

The CDNN grade A that I purchased looked brand new. The import stamp on the slide was a very tasteful HK Trussville AL. CDNN's PSPs were imported by HK USA.

I am looking at CDNN and am a little confused. They list "used LN" for 799, and "used EX-LN" for 679. That is quite a difference and which one is grade "A"? They also list "used VG-EX" and and plum LN-EX. Are the first three grade A, B & C? Do you remember which one you got?

[ripley16]

I am looking at CDNN and am a little confused. They list "used LN" for 799, and "used EX-LN" for 679. That is quite a difference and which one is grade "A"? They also list "used VG-EX" and and plum LN-EX. Are the first three grade A, B & C? Do you remember which one you got?

CDNN was selling two grades, A grade for $679 and B grade for $599. They added a third higher price in the last catalog, 2008-4 of $799. These must be the absolute best of the grade A or some of the newer imports also carried by PW Arms. These are very nice P7s, judging by the one I saw at Gander Mtn.

The newest calalog, 2008-5 has a fourth P7, one with an aftermarket coated slide, but at what price I don't know.

I suggest you call CDNN and ask lots of questions.

[banddr2]

CDNN was selling two grades, A grade for $679 and B grade for $599. They added a third higher price in the last catalog, 2008-4 of $799. These must be the absolute best of the grade A or some of the newer imports also carried by PW Arms. These are very nice P7s, judging by the one I saw at Gander Mtn.

The newest calalog, 2008-5 has a fourth P7, one with an aftermarket coated slide, but at what price I don't know.

I suggest you call CDNN and ask lots of questions.

Thanks for the info, I will give them a call.

[banddr2]

Just called, they actually work on Saturday. They have no PW imports, they are all HK. The 799's are new, never used & the 675's are possibly used but they say it is hard to tell they have been fired much. Quite a quandry, to make a decision with a difference of 125 bucks!

[banddr2]

Well, I decided, I went for the 675 from CDNN. Since I plan on shooting it I couldn't see spending the extra money for the LN ones.

[benderx4]

I guess I must be amazingly adroit and adept

LSP: Absolutely no offense taken at all. In my line of work, one needs very thick skin, and I've been trying to learn how to fly now for 26 years. Besides, I'm pretty sure we are in total agreement as to the efficacy of the P7, any P7, as a CCW. (Okay, maybe not the M13 (too thick)........... or the K10 (too heavy) ........ or the K3 (too wimpy), but all the rest are great!)

Numero uno, I did not say it was a "problem", I said one would have "less of a chance" of snagging the mag release. I still believe that today.

Numero dos, I TOTALLY agree that the P7M8 is an outstanding CC weapon. We are on the same side here. Today it continues to be my absolute favorite gun to take to the range and I am actively searching for my second M8 to rotate with my first.

And finally, numero tres, everywhere I look the P7 continues to be more readily available and certainly much less expensive than the M8. Thus, allowing someone who, otherwise, couldn't afford entry into the HK P7 world, an opportunity to carry concealed one of the most amazing weapons ever imagined.

Have I ever snagged a M8 mag release on anything? No.

[ripley16]

Well, I decided, I went for the 675 from CDNN. Since I plan on shooting it I couldn't see spending the extra money for the LN ones.

You're going to like this gun when you get it. My one piece of advise is to read the manual. The P7 is different enough to as not be intuitive based on your other experience with pistols. Happy and safe shooting. :)

[LSP 972]

Have I ever snagged a M8 mag release on anything? No.

I hear you and understand what your intentions were; however, repeating this sort of thing, PARTICULARLY when it is hearsay (as in, not observed or experienced), just leads to more rumor propagation.

Speaking of rumor propagation... I was told, by someone in a position to know, that HK developed the M8 release system in direct response to a problem encountered by the New Jersey State Police.

As I was told, it seems that many of these NJSP troopers were fond of resting the butt of their pistol on top of a table or barricade used in their qual course, during certain stages. No problem with a revolver, right?

But with the heel-clip mag release, guess what? Resting against the hard surface, it was self-engaging under recoil.

Again, that is strictly hearsay, as I wasn't there and never have ANY intention of getting anywhere close to New Jersey-stan. But my "source" is pretty reliable; I have a lot of contacts in the LE firearms trainer community.

My point is this; if you think about it, the heel-clip release has more potential for accidental release (when the pistol is carried on the belt) than the lever behind the trigger guard. Think- sitting in a chair, car seat, etc. But we don't hear of this happening either, do we?


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[benderx4]

Well, isn't that what the internet is for? To propagate hearsay? But seriously, you bring up some very good points and I stand corrected.

[jca998]

Not to contradict or call someone out, but, I own both a P7 and a P7M8, and the heel release is a bit awkward at first but you get used to it.

I also heard the story of the State Troopers and I know that they were issued P7's and I few officers lives were saved due to the cocking mechanism.

Anyways, try and handle both of the firearms and pick which one you like best. Just a word of advice, the P7 PSP makes an excellent "shooter" due to a cheaper price and they are more readily available.

[MontanaBighorn]

do i understand correctly that cdnn has new P7 PSPs? if thats the case ill be ordering at least two.

[banddr2]

do i understand correctly that cdnn has new P7 PSPs? if thats the case ill be ordering at least two.

They are not new, but like new, or not issued. That's how I understood it, they are listed in their catologue for 799.

[Sobriquet]

You guys suck. I want one to hard chrome... grr. lol

[5wire]

This (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun_inventory/inventory/glendale/handgun/1137018_hkp7m89mm.jsp?hierarchyId=11647) is probably gone by now for $899:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun_inventory/images/glendale/handgun/1137018_hkp7m89mm_01l.jpg

[Solidgun]

Just called....that M8 was sold....what a great price.

[Sobriquet]

At that price... maybe the internals were in bad shape? That sounds on the cheap end and the finish looks like it's in good shape.

[benderx4]

Sob: Not bragging, but I think at times, shops don't know exactly what they have when it comes to P7s. Case in point, I bought my P7M8 for $799 about 8 months ago from a reputable shop with lots of employees. To this day, I'm sure they thought it was "just" a P7. On the other hand, the same shop, in the same case, now has an A grade P7 sitting in there marked for $1199. Go figure?

[banddr2]

Just being new to the P7 scene, I am amazed how the prices are staying up on the police guns, despite the quantity of them available. The P5's and P6's didn't enjoy this kind of inflation. I wonder just how much the importers and wholesalers actually pay for them?

[HKAKS]

For arguments sake.
The P7 psp's heel mag release may be snag proof but it is also vulnerable to someone ejecting the mag. ... I know how possible is it? I just mention it because I backed into a corner of a counter and "crik" the mag was loose!!