View Full Version : Traded my glock 19 for an hk45c
DaveBee456
12-24-2008, 12:33 AM
Well I traded my glock19 after 300 rounds for the hk45 plus cash.
Some one here tell me I made the right choice, I always felt like that g19
Was bombproof and would always to bang. Are the hk45c's the same way
I put 100 rounds through the hk45c and no ftf or fte so I guess I am in good hands so far
99999
12-24-2008, 01:10 AM
I am happy that I have both of those, IMO if you want a glock, the 19 is the one to have. But I am still an HK guy for the rest of them. HK P30 vs the Glock 19 is a great illustration of HK quality. The HK45c though is my choice for CCW. great shooter as well.
H&K 4 LIFE
12-24-2008, 01:34 AM
I would have probably stuck with the Glock I already owned before making a trade plus cash. Don't take this as an insult, but 300rnds. is not enough in terms of getting used to a new gun.
But either gun will/would serve you well. You haven't made a bad choice that's for sure. :)
MrShipwreck
12-24-2008, 04:36 AM
I have had a few different carry guns since I got my CHL in 1996. But, my latest one is a USPc 45. I REALLY like this gun, and it conceals great in a Bladetech NANO holster. I would not worry about HK durability.
HKCHEF
12-24-2008, 05:11 AM
Don't you feel better.:p
DaveBee456
12-24-2008, 05:56 AM
Well I love Hk it feels higher quality and is very accurate..
But I do feel the need to clean my pistol now
I never like the ergonomics or the unsupported chambers of Glocks. I think you mad a good deal getting the HK.
Perseus
12-24-2008, 07:22 AM
Good move. I used to own a block. It was a good gun, but the HK's feel much better in my hand. I don't know what it is about HK guns (maybe the kool-aide) but I find myself getting much more excited about them. If it wasn't for ammo costs I would shoot all the time. I can't wait to buy another HK. I never felt that way about the glock.
Shakey
12-24-2008, 08:23 AM
Congrats on the 45c. You'll enjoy it. Glocks have never worked for my hands. The grips just aren't right for me. I've been carrying an HK for 5 years and couldn't be happier. I've never had a FTF, FTE, or any mechanical failure whatsoever. Once I got used to the trigger there was no going back to my 1911s. While I go to a Kahr subcompact PM9 in the warmest summer months an HK is my constant companion. I've handled the HK45, but haven't found the 45c to look at yet. Let us know how it goes long term. :)
GARY1911A1
12-24-2008, 10:23 AM
The Glock's grip angle and mussy trigger are not user friendly to me, but I was spoiled by 1911s' a long time ago. That said the HKs', especially the ones that allow cocked and locked are my favorite polymer pistols. Except for cost I can think of no real advantage of glocks over HKs'.
WildCat87
12-24-2008, 11:09 AM
Except for cost I can think of no real advantage of glocks over HKs'.
Capacity? Parts? Just saying...
EdMan63
12-24-2008, 12:53 PM
Well I know I'm not the only one now. I traded my G19 for my HK45c. I really liked my G19, but after getting my P30 I just had no real need for the 19. I don't have a lot of room for safe queens and the Glock just wasn't getting shot much.
My HK45c has been flawless so far as well as my P30. Congrats on the 45c. It's my favorite gun I own at this point.
The Glock's grip angle and mussy trigger are not user friendly to me, but I was spoiled by 1911s' a long time ago. That said the HKs', especially the ones that allow cocked and locked are my favorite polymer pistols. Except for cost I can think of no real advantage of glocks over HKs'.
I agree. The 1911 is still my favorite platform, but HK are nice, and the P7M8 is outstanding.
H&K 4 LIFE
12-24-2008, 04:33 PM
I never like the ergonomics or the unsupported chambers of Glocks. I think you mad a good deal getting the HK.
Except all 9mm Glocks do have fully supported chambers. :p
harrydog
12-24-2008, 04:50 PM
The 17 and 19 are the only two Glocks I would own. They're both excellent guns but some people don't like their ergonomics, looks, grip angle, or the fact that they lack a real safety. It's hard to fault them for durability/reliability though.
You definitely didn't make a mistake by trading for an H&K though. It should be just as durable and reliable as the Glock and if it gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling, you made the right choice.
Except all 9mm Glocks do have fully supported chambers. :p
And that includes the G21?
GARY1911A1
12-24-2008, 06:59 PM
Capacity? Parts? Just saying...
The cost of a comparable HK pistol itself is more than a Glock, and the magazines for the HKs' cost more.
I wouldn't trade my Glock 19 for anything unless I was getting twice the value and there was another G19 to be had immediately after. I really like my HK45C too. As for the P30, if my thumb didn't ride the slide release I might still have it. (No, I'm not adjusting my grip for the P30. That discussion has been had).
H&K 4 LIFE
12-24-2008, 07:52 PM
And that includes the G21?
The G21 is a .45, not a 9mm.
In addition, all models of third generation Glocks have improved support in the six o' clock posistion in the chamber. Another quiet "upgrade" made to the Glock over the years. However, all handguns using a Browning type action must lack some support in this location for feeding reliability.
The G21 is a .45, not a 9mm.
In addition, all models of third generation Glocks have improved support in the six o' clock posistion in the chamber. Another quiet "upgrade" made to the Glock over the years. However, all handguns using a Browning type action must lack some support in this location for feeding reliability.
Yeah, I know that the G21 is a .45, and yep, you are right about the quiet changes. The point is that there are plenty of 2nd gens around.
Even the 1911 has some opening in the base, but nothing like the Glocks have had.
mrosamilia
12-24-2008, 11:17 PM
I wouldn't trade my Glock 19 for anything unless I was getting twice the value and there was another G19 to be had immediately after. I really like my HK45C too. As for the P30, if my thumb didn't ride the slide release I might still have it. (No, I'm not adjusting my grip for the P30. That discussion has been had).
I hate to agree because I am of course an HK guy, but my 19's are my favorite handguns.
Big Bore
12-24-2008, 11:24 PM
IMO, NEVER, EVER trade off a gun unless you know you really, and I mean really hate it. I have traded off very few guns over the last 45 years and so far have not really regretted tossing any of them.
Always keep what you have and buy something else. Cannot afford it now, then wait until you can. One thing I have learned in my rounds is that most of the time people who trade off guns, especially almost new guns as you had, usually regret it later.
Glocks do not feel right in my hand and do not point worth a darn for me, and while I have shot many, I have no desire to own one only because they don't feel right and don't point right. If they did, I'd probably have a dozen or so of them. They certainly are reliable, accurate, and cheap enough.
Acutally, I would rather have an M&P than a Glock. The M&P's are great shooters, and just as a reliable.
Renee
12-30-2008, 07:32 PM
It's not how we feel about the trade, it's how you feel. I think you did very well. I have a G-19, & I plan on keeping it. It's a very nice firearm, accurate, & relieable. I do have three Hk's. I'm probably like some here, occasionaly I'll swith off & carry a different firearm. I like the HK's better because of the de-cocker.
You can always get another G-19 in the furture if you choose & it still will be less expensive the HK.
Renee
EdMan63
12-30-2008, 08:15 PM
It's not how we feel about the trade, it's how you feel. I think you did very well. I have a G-19, & I plan on keeping it. It's a very nice firearm, accurate, & relieable. I do have three Hk's. I'm probably like some here, occasionaly I'll swith off & carry a different firearm. I like the HK's better because of the de-cocker.
You can always get another G-19 in the furture if you choose & it still will be less expensive the HK.
Renee
That's how I feel about it since I did the same trade. Fortunately Glocks are very popular and plentiful. If you decide you can't live without the 19 then get another one. HK's can be a little harder to find given the landscape. Either way you got a superb gun with the HK45c.
steelshooter
01-01-2009, 02:33 AM
I like M&P's but noone knows if they are as reliable as Glocks because they have not been out long enough or used by enough people to say such a thing. Not to mention the M&P's had their share of issues during their 1st year or so.
Acutally, I would rather have an M&P than a Glock. The M&P's are great shooters, and just as a reliable.
The Glock's grip angle and mussy trigger are not user friendly to me....
While I totally agree on the grip angle, I've never found any HK trigger to best the Glock design. (sometimes if it's tuned a bit)
JMO.
That said, I believe the Glocks funky grip angle actually forces you into a more stable shooting platform.
Go figure.
pepsiman
01-03-2009, 08:34 AM
I traded my Glock 23 for my USP about 3 years ago, straight up. The grip angle on the Glock was horrible for me.
In the past few years, I've shot a few of my buddies Glocks and kinda warmed up to them a little more. I'm seriously thinking of picking up a Glock 19.
I traded my Glock 23 for my USP about 3 years ago, straight up. The grip angle on the Glock was horrible for me.
In the past few years, I've shot a few of my buddies Glocks and kinda warmed up to them a little more. I'm seriously thinking of picking up a Glock 19.
As I mentioned in the post above, while the Glock grip angle is probably the very least ergonomic design, it seems to force the shooter into a much more stable shooting platform. Some very respected and renown firearms/tactics instructors have tended to agree with me on this issue.
I do realize that there are gonna' be folks here who question my philosiphy on this particular issue...and that's fine...but I can only speak from my own firsthand experience and I firmly believe this to be true.
To elaborate a bit....
It seems that the Glock (for most people anyway) tends to point naturally high. To compensate for this, the shooter must cam their wrists downward.
Doing so, and particularly with a thumbs forward high grip, aligns all of the bones in your arm from the tips of your thumbs to your shoulders and that position definitely helps to reduce muzzle flip as well as helping with general recoil management.
Like I say, if anyone desires to argue this with me that's okay. I only ask that those people give me a chance to explain my findings as well as giving it an honest evaluation themselves, that's all.
Additionally, I've found this to be true when comparing a Glock to almost ANY other more naturally pointing pistol....FN,SIG,HK,etc.
Ever since I made the switch to Glock I've been trying desperately to find something out there that I can replace the Glock with. Unfortunately I've not yet found a platform that offers full advantags over the Glock design....my last endeavor was the SIG P250. I really hoped the p250 would be the end all,be all Glock killer, but ultimately that didn't pan out for a couple of reasons.
Thoughts on any of this?
pepsiman
01-03-2009, 09:18 AM
To elaborate a bit....
It seems that the Glock (for most people anyway) tends to point naturally high. To compensate for this, the shooter must cam their wrists downward.
Thoughts on any of this?
Hit the nail on the head! That was the exact reason I got rid of it. My G23 had a fairly wicked snap to it. The recoil was more than I expected. At first I overcompensated by "camming" my wrists down, like you mentioned. After that didn't work so well for me, I tried changing my grip. It never felt like something I could get used to, especially with the recoil.
Shooting the G19 my friend owns is a totally different story. The recoil feels "smoother", and using a grip other that what I use on my Hk or Sig, I don't have any issue spending a lot of range time with it. Shooting the 23 was more of a chore than a pleasure, IMO.
Hit the nail on the head! That was the exact reason I got rid of it. My G23 had a fairly wicked snap to it. The recoil was more than I expected. At first I overcompensated by "camming" my wrists down, like you mentioned. After that didn't work so well for me, I tried changing my grip. It never felt like something I could get used to, especially with the recoil.
Shooting the G19 my friend owns is a totally different story. The recoil feels "smoother", and using a grip other that what I use on my Hk or Sig, I don't have any issue spending a lot of range time with it. Shooting the 23 was more of a chore than a pleasure, IMO.
Reading your response, I'm left thinking that there may be other factors at play becuase I'm not sure how the camming didn't "work out so well" for you.
Additionally, as someone who's exclusively ran G19s and G23s and won sevral major matches as an expert class shooter in IDPA with those guns, I totally disagree with the difference in the 19 & the 23 being that dramatic.
Fact is, I've scored higher with my G23......the recoil difference just isn't enough to write home about,IMO.
I tend to think that you may have grip,stance, or some other marksmanship fundamentals issue that hasn't been resolved.
(then again I don't know you or your qualifications)
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