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Big Bore
02-17-2009, 07:01 PM
We often see posts requesting information about holsters and IWBs come up quite often. One holster I recently purchased and have been trying out over the last month or so is the Ghost made by Bluegrass Holsters and owned by Brock Morgan. Below is the holster evaluation.

Carrying a concealed weapon can be done in a variety of ways. How you carry concealed depends on the situation and the frame of the person doing the carrying. Being a person rather large in girth, I have found over the years several ways that do not work for a person of my shape and a person in my situation. Shoulder holsters are easy enough to carry, but impossible to conceal when the jacket must be removed. Hip holsters that I have tried work well enough so long as an even larger shirt is worn over them but over the years I have settled on primarily carrying my USPC .45 is in a fag bag or fanny pack for the politically correct. This works but as time takes its toll on the old body, I have had more frequent hip problems after carrying the fanny pack for extended periods. That has resulted in me carrying the BUG, a North American Arms .32 NAA, about as frequently as I do the larger .45. While I do think the .32 NAA will stop most encounters rapidly, there is more reassurance for me with the larger hole in the barrel sported by the .45. And while I have liked the Blackhawk CQD for hip carry, its biggest shortcoming for me is downright painful when it comes to being seated in the car with it on the hip for an extended period of time and it does set the pistol rather far off the hip. Other than those two shortcomings it is almost perfect. It does print more than some types of holsters but I have never been concerned too much about printing. Most people, including bad guys, wouldn’t have a clue that I carry even with the fag-bag, and if a cop sees a bulge, so what? If they ask, I answer and show my permit, and wish them a good day. Strange that for 25 years I have been carrying firearms in holsters that should “give me away” but I have yet to be asked by anyone if I was carrying or have anyone complain. So much for the printing concern.
Still, I wanted something that I could carry, not throw my hip out of whack, and still allow me to carry and remain comfortable while seated in a truck, van, or car.
After doing more than a fair amount of on-line research I though I would give the IWB a try. I have tried them in the past and found them less than ideal but the holsters I tried were the mass produced type and not custom made. After a lot of reading about custom holster makers and also weighing in deliver time I settled on the Bluegrass Holster’s Ghost, tuckable, and in horsehide, no tension screw, and shark-skin trim to reinforce the mouth of the holster, not that it is really needed with a horsehide holster but it looks so darned good.
The horsehide holster is a new offering from Bluegrass Holsters (www.bluegrassholsters.com) so I was anxious to try them out. Horsehide is a slightly stiffer leather than cowhide but it supposedly stretches less with time and is generally considered to be more naturally moisture repellant. Reviews on-line about horsehide vs. cowhide is mixed, about 50% saying horsehide is not superior and in fact is less desirable than cowhide and the other 50% saying it is better. All I know for sure is I sure as the dickens DON’T know which is better so will go by what I have been told by the holster maker, Brock Morgan. He likes it. Besides, I have used cowhide holsters for over 3 decades on my hunting rigs and with no complaints mind you, but I am always open for something new. What the heck, give horsehide a try and see how I like it. If I don’t like it I’ll either exchange it for cowhide or buy one in cowhide.
After I ordered this holster on-line from Bluegrass Holsters, the owner, Brock Morgan, called to discuss the details and to inform about the advantages as well as the increased stiffness of the horse hide holster. Most important, since the horsehide holster is more stiff, he wanted to get a feel for how I was built so he could more closely conform the holster to my shape. Whereas a cowhide holster would quickly conform to my shape from daily wear, to decrease the amount of time needed for the horsehide holster to conform he can “build in” some shape to decrease the amount of time needed for the holster to conform to my shape. This was my first clue that I was dealing with someone who actually gives a hoot about getting it right for his customer the first time. Do you seriously think you would get a call like that from Blackhawk, Galco, DeSanti…?
It turns out that the horsehide holster and exotic trims are something he has just started offering and during the course of our conversation, he asked if I would do a T&E on the holster and post my results, good or bad, and to post some pictures. Now, don’t think for a minute I got any discount on the holster. That did not happen. What I did get was the opportunity to test the holster and know that if there were any problems what so ever, he was going to take the time to do any revisions necessary to make the holster work for me and all of his other customers. When it came to color choice, I left that up to him. Since it is an IWB holster it could be passion pink and nobody would know. Since I would be photographing the holster I let him pick the color design that he though would show off the holster’s attributes the best.
One might notice right away that there is no tension screw on this holster. Brock informed me that horsehide stretches so little that putting a tension screw on it was not necessary. From what I have read about horsehide leather goods I am willing to believe that.
Since I have no holsters for my USPCT .45 for range use, I ordered the holster for that pistol so it would have room to clear the .350-inch tall front sight. The shorter barrel of my carry USPC .45 would not be an issue with the slightly longer length of the holster made to accommodate the threaded barrel of the USPCT.
Now that we had all the details worked out, the hard part came next, the wait for delivery. Good to say, with my personal work being what it has been, time went by quickly and what seemed like no time at all, the holster arrived, eager to be donned and put through its paces.
The first thing I noticed after unpacking is that this is one beautiful holster.
The negative stories I had read on-line about horsehide not dying uniformly proved not to be true with the Bluegrass Holster’s Ghost. Brock has admitted difficulty in staining but he has the problem licked and can apply a very even stain to the horsehide with mine being a very even and dark black. The sharkhide is beautifully done in a maroon finish which is pebbled in texture as is the nature of shark skin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/BiggBore/Pic1.jpg

End of part 1

Big Bore
02-17-2009, 07:02 PM
The stitching is tight and evenly spaced with no loose or overly tight places evident. The belt straps are directional snaps and hold tightly when fully snapped. I do have trouble make the snaps firmly lock with the gun in the holster or trying to lock them when inside the pants which resulted in the snaps not staying shut. What works best for me is to lock them and thread the belt through the loops and I had no more releases of the snaps. Brock informed me that it is indeed better to feed the belt through the loops rather than to try and snap them over the belt. The belt loops and straps are held in place with screws so that one can adjust both tension and angle of the straps.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/BiggBore/PIc2.jpg

And the holster has a built-in curve that should help it mold quickly. The back side is marked for the type of pistol the holster is made for as well as the company logo stamps. The molding is exact to the pistol in every detail. Even the position of the safety lever, which came in the fire position. I had not specified that I carried with the safety on but it took only a couple of hours of dampening the area and some judicial pressing with a tongue depressor to remold the area for carry with the safety in the on position. When the pistol is in the holster it fits perfectly within the recesses molded.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/BiggBore/PIc3.jpg

When the pistol with thread protector was inserted the first time it was clear that Brock nailed the sight channel exactly. There was plenty of room for the Heinie tall Tactical sights to clear without undue rubbing on the holster.
I also realized that I did not tell Brock that I wanted it molded for use with the thread protector on the pistol. Apparently he read my mind because inserting the pistol with the super aggressively knurrled TROS (Mark McWillis, www.trosusa.com) stainless TP was firm but not overly tight and withdrawal of the pistol from the holster was rapid without undue drag from the TP. After working with the holster a little while, the TP sized itself into the holster perfectly. The end of the barrel does not stick out the end of the holster but it is open at the end so debris will not accumulate in the pocket and eventually in your pistol’s barrel.
Brock has thought this through very well.
The second thing one would notice is the holster is tight, not too tight mind you that you give yourself a wedgie when you draw, but certainly tight enough to keep the pistol in position during any kind of likely NORMAL movement. Let’s take a reality check, I don’t chase bad guys and I don’t run. Come to think of it, a moderate shuffle is about all I can muster any more! The pistol is held firmly in place and even when seated for several hours, everything stayed in place.
After hours of wearing the slide shield built into the holster becomes much appreciated, keeping the slide, rear sight, and safety off your skin. Even when seated the holster does not pinch although it is stiff, which is to be expected with horsehide and new holsters. As I continued to wear the holster daily over the next few weeks, it did indeed become slightly less stiff and even more comfortable to wear, even when seated although one must realize that you will have to shift the holster slightly to get the most comfortable position when seated. And it became apparent very quickly that you do not carry your wallet on the same side you carry the pistol. I have to shift the holster slightly rearward which puts it over the wallet and when seated, the wallet cannot be taken out of the pocket nor can you really get into a comfortable position. If you put the wallet on the off side, all is well. The last thing I finally had to concede was that wearing an inside the waistband holster means you need new pants if you are built like I am, a full two sizes larger. If you wear a 44, you need at least a 46 now. I wear pants that are sized to my frame and the addition of the holster and pistol just is not compatible with the same pants unless you unbuckle and unsnap your pants if you are to be seated for more than just a few minutes. Standing, like with any holsters, is no problem, but when seated you need the extra room. Even with larger pants on it is more comfortable to let out the belt a notch or two but at least you don’t need to unsnap. Let’s face it, a quick exit with unsnapped and unbuckled pants is not something one wants to do on a regular basis!
Overall I find the Ghost to be an excellent carry holster. While you can carry it with the shirt tucked in over top of the holster, it requires a little time to get it all set up. Once done though the pistol can easily be concealed with nothing more than a T-shirt. If you wear it tail out, no problem and the slide/sight flap on the holster keeps the pistol from digging into your side or rubbing you raw. It also keeps perspiration off the pistol which was a major concern to me.
Brock produces a first-class product that will give many years of service. If you are in the market for an IWB holster for any pistol, I suggest you give Brock Morgan and Bluegrass Holsters some consideration. He may not be the biggest name in town but he produces a product second to none. Give him a try and you won’t be sorry.

HKONBOARD
02-17-2009, 07:04 PM
That's a beauty. Thanks for the review.

Phalanx1
02-17-2009, 07:06 PM
That's a great review. Thanks for taking the time to do it!

H&K 4 LIFE
02-17-2009, 09:45 PM
Brock is a great guy. I didn't get a holster from him but did buy some other items from him via the HKPRO marketplace.

His holsters do look very nice.

ridesdirt
02-17-2009, 09:49 PM
Very nice report.

+1 on taking the time to do it.

HD1200
02-17-2009, 11:07 PM
Again, Great review, and thanks for taking your time out to write it.

Craiger
02-18-2009, 12:01 AM
Very good review BigBore! :cool:

I have the first generation version of the Ghost (Cowhide), Its about a year old now and still looks and feels great carrying my USP-CT everyday (14 hour days)

Also Brock Morgan the owner of Bluegrass Holsters is also a member of this forum and as H&K 4 LIFE mentioned also he is a great guy to deal with.

SysMatrix
02-18-2009, 01:30 AM
Very good review. I think I am going to order a couple for the pistols I carry.

bonehead
02-18-2009, 04:54 AM
Great review. What was the wait time from order to delivery?

carboncycles
02-18-2009, 05:05 AM
Bigbore, great review as always. Thanks for spending the time to share the wealth....

ARKAY.357
02-18-2009, 06:46 AM
VERY nice! That's a great color combo, and excellent mix of textures. When is the next one due?

ARKAY

Brock Morgan
02-18-2009, 04:11 PM
Brock produces a first-class product that will give many years of service. If you are in the market for an IWB holster for any pistol, I suggest you give Brock Morgan and Bluegrass Holsters some consideration. He may not be the biggest name in town but he produces a product second to none. Give him a try and you won’t be sorry.

Thanks for the review BigBore....awful nice of you to take the time to do that....now I have to wait until my hat can fit again!:D

take care

Brock Morgan
02-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Great review. What was the wait time from order to delivery?


Right now I have about a 3 month backlog. I tried early on to give estimated delivery dates after I started building a holster and found out that it was not reasonable to do so....I have so many checks and balances in the build process which can turn a holster back which increases the time. basically my motto is if I wouldn't wear it, I won't be sending it. I take whatever time is necessary to build the holster perfect for your firearm and any other considerations mentioned by the customer.

I can tell you that with the addition of a customer service person (my ancient brother James) I can spend a little more time building and still keep emails and phone calls somewhat less backlogged.

Let me know if I can help any....

bonehead
02-18-2009, 06:38 PM
Right now I have about a 3 month backlog. I tried early on to give estimated delivery dates after I started building a holster and found out that it was not reasonable to do so....I have so many checks and balances in the build process which can turn a holster back which increases the time. basically my motto is if I wouldn't wear it, I won't be sending it. I take whatever time is necessary to build the holster perfect for your firearm and any other considerations mentioned by the customer.

I can tell you that with the addition of a customer service person (my ancient brother James) I can spend a little more time building and still keep emails and phone calls somewhat less backlogged.

Let me know if I can help any....

Thanks for the personal reply, Brock. Was perusing your website. Great layout. Even better holsters. The Ghost looks fantastic. I just can't wait 3 months for a holster though. Keep up the great work. Maybe I can use your services in the future.

cmiller683
02-18-2009, 06:44 PM
This thread reminds me, I posted another thread, the "USP and P2000 Accessories" and I think it should be made a sticky. This way we can have an ever present source of information for accessories. We should do the same for serverl other H&K Pistols. It would be an invaluable source of information.

That way there wont be repeated posts asking about holsters and accessories.

CMiller

Craiger
02-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Right now I have about a 3 month backlog. I tried early on to give estimated delivery dates after I started building a holster and found out that it was not reasonable to do so....I have so many checks and balances in the build process which can turn a holster back which increases the time. basically my motto is if I wouldn't wear it, I won't be sending it. I take whatever time is necessary to build the holster perfect for your firearm and any other considerations mentioned by the customer.

I can tell you that with the addition of a customer service person (my ancient brother James) I can spend a little more time building and still keep emails and phone calls somewhat less backlogged.

Let me know if I can help any....

Hi Brock,

i just saw you now carry belts also.
What is the average wait time on belts?

Craiger

Talon66
02-20-2009, 03:11 AM
Great review! Thanks for taking the time to provide us with that info. They are beautiful looking holsters. I like the photo looking down from the top of the gun. It shows how tight the molding of the holster is to the port side of the gun. I draw my USP with my thumb flagged and find that some kydex holsters don't comfortably allow for this. This is definitely a holster that I will consider in the near future. Thanks again!

fragger-ks
04-12-2009, 03:15 AM
I just put a order in for a Mason-Dixon today, for my new P 30. Can't wait to get it.

woodsman
04-12-2009, 04:06 AM
I have been in the market for a good holster and like the upfront information with quality, fit, etc. I will be placing an order for one shortly.

Thanks for the very helpful information and review.

JaboJockey
04-12-2009, 02:56 PM
Brock became my go-to guy for all my gunleather needs when he built the Mason-Dixon holster that my P-30 rides in daily. More than worth the comparatively short wait, given his designs (they just plain WORK), the quality of his workmanship, materials, and fit. He is an all-around great guy to deal/work with, and he builds a holster whose quality far surpasses its price. They say, "You get what you pay for." Brock delivers more than you pay for.

One on my hip, two on order, and another "gift for a friend" incoming.

DCCarper
04-15-2009, 12:49 PM
Does any one have Blue Grass's conceal belt? How do you like it?

Also, what's the width of their belt? I assume it's 1.5 inch but can't find the width info on their site.

Big Bore
04-15-2009, 12:59 PM
For particulars on anything Brock makes it is best to contact him directly. He is constantly improving his product line so what may be true of an item made two years ago may not be true today.

DCCarper
04-15-2009, 02:32 PM
For particulars on anything Brock makes it is best to contact him directly. He is constantly improving his product line so what may be true of an item made two years ago may not be true today.
Yes, I know, I actually contacted him about 3-4 days ago but haven't heard anything yet.

I know he is super busy with all the backlog he has. Jst trying to see if anyone knows the belt width so I can place my order earlier.

Brock Morgan
04-15-2009, 05:39 PM
Yes, I know, I actually contacted him about 3-4 days ago but haven't heard anything yet.

I know he is super busy with all the backlog he has. Jst trying to see if anyone knows the belt width so I can place my order earlier.

Sorry about that....sometimes mail goes astray or my eyes are too blind to see it! :901:

I only supply a single width of belt at the moment and that is 1.5". The others are not popular enough in general and thus I settled on the 1.5 since it can be worn with dress slacks along with jeans.

Let me know if you had another question(s) that I missed.

take care

Brock

DCCarper
04-15-2009, 06:15 PM
Sorry about that....sometimes mail goes astray or my eyes are too blind to see it! :901:

I only supply a single width of belt at the moment and that is 1.5". The others are not popular enough in general and thus I settled on the 1.5 since it can be worn with dress slacks along with jeans.

Let me know if you had another question(s) that I missed.

take care

Brock
Brock,
Thank you so much to take the time and reply to my question.
I think there might be an issue with the shopping cart of your website.
I was trying to order the Mason-Dixon for my HK45C and P30, but when I place the holster in cart, the firearm selection option will be changed to 1911, and all HK options simply disappears.
Thanks

Brock Morgan
04-15-2009, 08:57 PM
Brock,
Thank you so much to take the time and reply to my question.
I think there might be an issue with the shopping cart of your website.
I was trying to order the Mason-Dixon for my HK45C and P30, but when I place the holster in cart, the firearm selection option will be changed to 1911, and all HK options simply disappears.
Thanks

Just as an FYI to the folks here, apparently the scripting for some of the H&K firearm models was a little off which results in the shopping cart defaulting back to the 1911. You can still order by making comments in the comments box at checkout stating the specific model you are looking for...I will make note of that on your order and confirm with you by email to let you know that I received the order....you will also get a copy of the order sent to you which should show the same detail that I have sent to me from the cart.

Please let me know if you are still having issues....I will be working on the problem over the next couple weeks....soon as I can walk away from some holsters for a day or computer torture!

DC....did you get the PM I sent to you?

Brock