DA pull on lem trigger

[traxter]

might be a silly question, but when/how will I even use the first 12lb pull on my lem trigger? when the slide gets racked it goes to the lesser pull and does not have a way to disengage the hammer spring or am I missing something?

[Gunschlinger]

I thinkthe only way you would ever get the hard pull is if you had a misfire and pulled the trigger again.

[rwsnc]

might be a silly question, but when/how will I even use the first 12lb pull on my lem trigger? when the slide gets racked it goes to the lesser pull and does not have a way to disengage the hammer spring or am I missing something?

I believe if you pull the trigger and the round does not fire, you can pull the trigger again and try to fire the same round. I think when you pull the trigger again, on the same round, you'll be pulling the 12 lb trigger.

[mjlombardo]

Yep unless you get a misfire you won't encounter that pull

[mjlombardo]

I have a question for you guys also. I don't have vast experience with handguns so I figured I'd ask you guys. For you that have had misfires with ammo, how often would a second strike from the firing pin solve the problem?

[Ken_In_Colo]

I have a question for you guys also. I don't have vast experience with handguns so I figured I'd ask you guys. For you that have had misfires with ammo, how often would a second strike from the firing pin solve the problem?

The figures I've heard say 80%. I can't site the reference though.

[ptechjpjr]

The 12lb long pull will only be encountered if a misfire happens.

Here's my take on misfires.

You will probably not encounter a misfire with an HK pistol:

If you use high quality ammo.
If you leave the factory hammer spring in your pistol.
If you clean and maintain your pistol.
If you Keep the firing pin and firing pin channel clean and un-lubed or lubed with a dry lubricant like Sentry Solutions products

Just my 2cents from my experience with my HK pistols.
(no malfunctions of any kind with my 2 USP 45's, no idea of round counts but they get shot at least 6 times a year and they are over 10 years old)

[mjlombardo]

That's a pretty good percentage if accurate. I knew the ability for a follow up trigger pull in such event is a pretty good advantage, 80 is much higher then I was guessing. Then again I don't know much about ammo.

[Molon Labe]

I'm new with the LEM. Never had an auto without a safety before.
I know, I know. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
Still makes me a little nervous carrying my LEM IWB.
I'd like to have that 12 lb pull for safety reasons.
Is there any way to "decock" an LEM variant with a live round in the chamber?

[Gunschlinger]

Nope

[Insideman]

I wish.

It makes me nervous too knowing a baby could pull the trigger and shoot a round off. I hate that ridiculous DA pull though.

[kraigster414]

I wish.

It makes me nervous too knowing a baby could pull the trigger and shoot a round off. I hate that ridiculous DA pull though.

Keep a baby away. Enough said. If it really bothers you (and it shouldn't if you exercise common sense and sound safety procedures) opt for another variant. I have an HK45c LEM and would never part with it.

[rwsnc]

I think there's a couple other things to think about.

If you're in a life threatening situation and you have a miss fire, do you want to take a chance on having it miss fire again or do you want to get it out of there as fast as possible and get a good round in the chamber and on it's way?

Another factor is with the added stress of a miss fire with a 4 or 8 lb trigger pull, just how accurate are you going to be with a sudden and stressful 12 lb trigger followup.

[Omega Man]

It sounds like you should get a V3 DA/SA.

[LSP 972]

If you're in a life threatening situation and you have a miss fire, do you want to take a chance on having it miss fire again or do you want to get it out of there as fast as possible and get a good round in the chamber and on it's way?




Exactly.

WAY too much is made of this "second strike" business. A Phase One malf clearance (Tap-Rack-Ready/Bang) makes more sense; assuming, of course, one has practiced this and can do it quickly.

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[MDPuckett84]

I'm new with the LEM. Never had an auto without a safety before.
I know, I know. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
Still makes me a little nervous carrying my LEM IWB.
I'd like to have that 12 lb pull for safety reasons.
Is there any way to "decock" an LEM variant with a live round in the chamber?

Assuming you have a decent holster that covers the trigger guard, the only real issue is the possibility of something getting in the way while holstering. I get piece of mind by covering the hammer with my thumb during this process.

[Molon Labe]

Assuming you have a decent holster that covers the trigger guard, the only real issue is the possibility of something getting in the way while holstering. I get piece of mind by covering the hammer with my thumb during this process.

Thumb over the hammer while holstering is an excellent suggestion. Thanks.

I do have a good holster. The trigger is completely covered. I guess its just a misplaced psychological fear on my part, but I can't seem to overcome that slight unease about having a "cocked and unlocked" pistol inside my waistband. I find myself worrying about bending over, sittiing, getting up from sitting position, snagging it on car doors or other objects, etc. Even though I know the trigger is properly covered by the holster I catch myself sneaking a peek to make sure. That habit could compromise my concealment at a bad time.
I'm hopeful that over time this unease will disappear. Like I said, I'm new to the LEM and I really like how it shoots. I don't want to give it up. In fact, I ordered it because I wanted "safety without a safety" so to speak. I think its a great design. I didn't realize carrying it IWB was going to give me pause.
Maybe its just a case of old habits die hard. Cocked and locked was actually probably less safe than the LEM.

Do lots of other people carry the LEM variant IWB?

[MDPuckett84]

I carry mine and all my other weapons IWB atleast 75% of the time. See if this works to help, unload the gun, but rack the slide so its in LEM mode. Put the gun in your holster and try to pull the trigger with your finger through the holster. I find I can't even do this through cheap Uncle Mike IWB holsters. This helped me when I got started.

[Ken_In_Colo]

I've got a P2000 DA/SA. First pull is 11 lbs. I practiced w/it and in less than a few dozen rnds. I could put that first DA rnd COM, just like it was SA. All it takes is practice.