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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Man View Post
    I've had Grayguns work on my Sig P226, and they do an awesome job.

    I think what Sidewinder6 was trying to say that Grayguns tends to be a full-service shop where most people probably send guns to have multiple things done to it, whereas most looking at Bill Springfield end up only getting the trigger worked on.
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    I've had light LEM conversions done to two USPf .45, one by HK and the other by Bruce Gray. Can't tell the difference, they are both excellent. But these were really just parts installations. I have met Bruce and taken a couple of 3-day courses from him. That said, I would have complete confidence in his ability to tune any pistol to my specs. His shooting courses are excellent too!

    I remember that the only delay with Bruce doing the LEM install was the scarcity of the kit. Once he had that, it was quick. I know he is regarded just slightly lower than a deity among SIG owners. Since Bruce shot for HK before SIG picked him up, he is very knowledgeable on USP, P2000, and probably the new HK45 and P30 as well.

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    I have a USPc 45 at GGI currently for the Carry Action Service and Heine straight eight QWIK night sights.

    I asked them if they could make the trigger break a little more crisp. They said it would add about 1/2# to the SA pull but it would break clean.

    We'll see when it gets here.

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    Default Bruce gray SAO Trigger ON 9mm Expert

    Getting the pot boiling sometimes never hurts! Lets talk about it. What about converting trigger to SAO with Grayguns and just forgeting about all the drama about DA/SA trigger issues with our full size guns.

    They say the they can confert our guns to a almost 1911 trigger. Wouldn't this eleminate half of all our posts on this web site?

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    A Colt 1911 single action type trigger really isnt possible in a DA/SA H&K USP. Any one who owns or has shot a true tuned Colt 1911 trigger can attest to that.

    Im sure Springfield and Gray BOTH can do a very good trigger job on an H&K to improve the trigger and make the pistol more of a joy to shoot and improve accuracy over a factory H&K trigger setup.

    Choose the smith who will give you what you want, and within your acceptable time frame, and go with him, both these smiths are world class and have a clientel to prove it.
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    I basically optimize a HK pistols to its full "stock" potential at a reasonable price and turn around time. Bruce Gray does great work as well for those who want to customize their pistols to the next step on up. I stone/polish the contact areas that would normally wear thru the factory finish during normal use. I can't figure why these areas would rust if proper maintenance and lubrication was performed, unless there were some other mitigating circumstances. These contact areas do need polishing, one would be surprised at the micro fractures underneath the bluing left from the die stamp process from a parts manufacture

    I own 3 USP's, that work perfectly, work was done on these about a year ago. I have performed 200+ trigger jobs on USP's, HK45's, P-30's and P2000's and the like with no reports of any issues. If there were I would have certainly heard about them.

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    Bill,

    What does your trigger job do to say a HK p2000SK DA/SA due to travel, reset, and pull weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kost View Post
    A Colt 1911 single action type trigger really isnt possible in a DA/SA H&K USP. Any one who owns or has shot a true tuned Colt 1911 trigger can attest to that.
    Actually Bruce Gray's competition SAO trigger job comes about 95% to a 1911 trigger. The only thing is there is slightly more initial take up. With the wider trigger face on the USP trigger, it actually feels lighter than what is measured due to less pressure on your finger.
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    At range today, shot my new P7 SAO back to back against my Expert 9mm. I'm sending the Expert to Greyguns next week to have it converted to SAO. For a 21 year old gun that SAO P7 shot pretty good against the Expert. If Bruce can get within 5% of what a 1911 SAO trigger can shoot, i'm in. I now rank my P7 and Kimber[5 in. barrel] equal, the Expert a long shot third!

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    For the P2000, pull weight in DA is about 9lbs, SA actual sear creep is reduced up to 85%+, SA pull weight is 3.5 to 4lbs. This holds true for USP, HK-45, P-30 and variants.

    Bill

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